833 4spd repair advice

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I think a rebuild kit from Brewers is like 100 bucks. at this point though I would probably buy new synchros cuz they're brass and can wear out very fast with no oil.
I bought a book from the bookstore on how to rebuild it for like 26 bucks and it's extremely straightforward and not much more than some snap ring pliers is needed.
I generally put automatic or stick shift transmissions together with Vaseline so it melts out real quick and allows the actual lubricant that I put in there to replace it quickly. Personally I use the gear oil that the engineers that made it put in it to begin with.

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I can tell you what happened, you F’ed it all up!
With clutch out the input shaft spins at engine RPM and all the gears are in constant mesh so every bearing and gear tooth is moving and running on something with zero oil.

Not the thing to do to any trans, let alone a rebuilt one.

sorry you didn’t know what your were doing, let’s hope others read this and learn not to do this.

and don’t shift it with the engine off, that’s not doing it any Favours either.
 
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Running in neutral without oil probably kilt the input shaft bearing and other bearings think heat. I wouldn't think the whole trans is toast. Open it up and make a list of parts.then call Brewers.
 
Well, this sucks doesn't it?
Hopefully you'll get lucky and find out it's not too bad inside.
The least that you'll have to do is replace the bearings and clean it all up.
Let us know about the autopsy results with pics if you can..........
 
Can't imagine a rebuilder assembling the fresh parts on his transmission build without assembly lube.

Think about it you would not assemble your engine without assembly lube.

Also like an auto trans, you don't put them together without lubing the parts as you are assembling it. Soaking the clutch discs in oil prior to assembly, you know.

Manual trans . . bearings and bushings synchros, shift forks. You want all those things lubed and moving freely so you can shift it through the gears freely to check to make sure the build works right while still on the bench.

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I would not be nearly as concerned about the bearings/rollers as I would be 1-2-3 speed gears spinning on a stationary main shaft for 10 minutes without lubrication. Even if those parts were lubed up when installed, it would not provide adequate lubrication...especially after 10 min of run time. It needs to come all the way apart, look for galling on the main shaft. Unfortunately I think your lesson here will be expensive....sorry.
 
A story for you:

I purchased a '68 charger (440HP/RT) from a dealer about 100 miles away. The PO said it leaked tranny fluid, so make sure that problem was OK. Fluid was checked. It was fine. I drove it home.

I checked the fluid a week or so later having driven it regularly during that time, sure it was OK 'cuz there wasn't a drip on the garage floor. There was NOTHING in it! I drove it to a shop that found a hole in a poorly welded front bearing retainer. All of the gear oil had come out on my way home!

The trans survived just fine. Granted, a transmission with 20K miles on it is NOT 'just rebuilt'. Driving a 4000lb big block over four mountain passes and 100 miles isn't quite 'idling in neutral' for ten minutes, either.

Assembling a rebuild without lubrication is a possibility, but extremely unlikely. Having it NOT full of fluid is normal, too. That is the installer's choice of lube and responsibility.

Honestly, sending a car to a shop for a 'once over' for bolts and nuts is beyond my ability to comprehend. To each his own, but IMO, you should not own a vehicle NOT under factory warranty and maintenance; Certainly not old-iron Mopar stuff.

Learn yourself things. DON'T drive it without knowing the clutch adjustment is good and knowing yourself that the entire vehicle is lubed/fluided/checked for basic operation.


Good luck!
 
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canyncarvr said:
Honestly, sending a car to a shop for a 'once over' for bolts and nuts is beyond my ability to comprehend. To each his own, but IMO, you should not own a vehicle NOT under factory warranty and maintenance; Certainly not old-iron Mopar stuff.
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So.....I did mention this was my first ever build ya? And your advice is to not get it looked over? I should not own or work on an old mopar that I have wanted for years? I was finally was able to buy an older one and do my best to tackle this huge project but that shouldn't have been done unless I didn't need any advice, assistance or a trained eye to check my work over?
After all my family will travel in this car, I dont have alignment machines etc and, 'a wise man seeks counsel'. To say I shouldn't own an old Mopar is wrong among some other colorful words imho.
I took on this project because I love the car, I'm not scared of anything, and I have learned a lot doing it. I also know the value to learn to do things properly. That means getting it checked over and even corrected if needed. How else do you learn? Certainly not just out of a book.
 
Taking a car in for a 'once over' for 'bolts and nuts' is not quite the same as 'for an alignment'.

Also, any install/build/work that would NOT include adding fluid/lubrication is a Red Flag presaging many problems to come, some of them surely dangerous and/or harmful to you. In this instance, maybe just expensive.

Certainly not just out of a book.
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You are 100% correct about that.

I have been doing my own wrench work for decades. What I've found wrong that has been written (by folks that should know the correct process/method/procedure) FAR surpasses what I've read that is correct. It is also true that I could regale you with stories for HOURS about disastrous work done by ASE certified mechs. How about a replacement of a fusable link with a hunk of wire that later, when the steering column movement caused a second short, the car caught fire with my wife and kid in the car? Totaled the car.

If you didn't care for my earlier post, I guess it's a good thing I edited a whole lot of the 'colorful' out of it. ;)

Good luck on 'ya. Enjoy your new ride!
 
Shmaako said:
So.....I did mention this was my first ever build ya? And your advice is to not get it looked over? I should not own or work on an old mopar that I have wanted for years? I was finally was able to buy an older one and do my best to tackle this huge project but that shouldn't have been done unless I didn't need any advice, assistance or a trained eye to check my work over?
After all my family will travel in this car, I dont have alignment machines etc and, 'a wise man seeks counsel'. To say I shouldn't own an old Mopar is wrong among some other colorful words imho.
I took on this project because I love the car, I'm not scared of anything, and I have learned a lot doing it. I also know the value to learn to do things properly. That means getting it checked over and even corrected if needed. How else do you learn? Certainly not just out of a book.
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Use it as a learning experience and move on. We all make mistakes and no one is a master of anything the first time out.
 
canyncarvr said:
Taking a car in for a 'once over' for 'bolts and nuts' is not quite the same as 'for an alignment'.

Also, any install/build/work that would NOT include adding fluid/lubrication is a Red Flag presaging many problems to come, some of them surely dangerous and/or harmful to you. In this instance, maybe just expensive.



You are 100% correct about that.

I have been doing my own wrench work for decades. What I've found wrong that has been written (by folks that should know the correct process/method/procedure) FAR surpasses what I've read that is correct. It is also true that I could regale you with stories for HOURS about disastrous work done by ASE certified mechs. How about a replacement of a fusable link with a hunk of wire that later, when the steering column movement caused a second short, the car caught fire with my wife and kid in the car? Totaled the car.

If you didn't care for my earlier post, I guess it's a good thing I edited a whole lot of the 'colorful' out of it. ;)

Good luck on 'ya. Enjoy your new ride!
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Guy has to learn just as the rest of us have learned. The point has been made. Let’s not beat the guy up too badly heh?
 
I can tell you I learned alot in my early years at my own expense on my own cars...eventually i went to trade school and ended up wrenching for a living but in the beginning was alot of trial and error. OP dont thtink you are the first to have done this .I fried my input shatft bearing doing the same thing,in my case it seized,the engine wouldnt turn by hand with the clutch in. I found it needed input shaft bearing, which needed to be pressed on. so, you will need a press to remove and install that bearing. like said its a learning experience for you. you will never run a trans without oil again I guarantee that you wont forget.
 
Shmaako said:
So.....I did mention this was my first ever build ya? And your advice is to not get it looked over? I should not own or work on an old mopar that I have wanted for years? I was finally was able to buy an older one and do my best to tackle this huge project but that shouldn't have been done unless I didn't need any advice, assistance or a trained eye to check my work over?
After all my family will travel in this car, I dont have alignment machines etc and, 'a wise man seeks counsel'. To say I shouldn't own an old Mopar is wrong among some other colorful words imho.
I took on this project because I love the car, I'm not scared of anything, and I have learned a lot doing it. I also know the value to learn to do things properly. That means getting it checked over and even corrected if needed. How else do you learn? Certainly not just out of a book.
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If it makes you feel any better, I’ve screwed up and restarted my custom gauge layout for my dart so much that I’m in the 300 dollar range on it and have to start again
 
I think all of us who learned to work on cars in the "school of hard knocks" has a pile of carnage in our past. It's just what happens. You lick your wounds, fix the problem, and move on to the next "learning" experience.
 
Old man ray said:
Well, any progress.
Hope it wasn't to bad.
Anyone who claims to have never screwed up, didn't try hard enough.
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Apparently not much damage was done after my transmission was inspected by the guy who rebuilt it. He says he always lubes it up pretty good and even throws a little oil in.
Apparently the reason it wasn't going into 1st was because there is a linkage that closes off first and second when reverse is engaged and it wasn't disengaging.
Had the trans reinstalled....now it doesn't go into 1st again....
Called him up and he suggests I simply have to adjust the linkage to get that reverse to stop closing off 1st gear...
So, to answer your question lol....it looks a though I am not out of the woods and will know a lot more about 4 speed transmissions when I'm done doing it myself...
Pray for me lol
 
Shmaako said:
Apparently not much damage was done after my transmission was inspected by the guy who rebuilt it. He says he always lubes it up pretty good and even throws a little oil in.
Apparently the reason it wasn't going into 1st was because there is a linkage that closes off first and second when reverse is engaged and it wasn't disengaging.
Had the trans reinstalled....now it doesn't go into 1st again....
Called him up and he suggests I simply have to adjust the linkage to get that reverse to stop closing off 1st gear...
So, to answer your question lol....it looks a though I am not out of the woods and will know a lot more about 4 speed transmissions when I'm done doing it myself...
Pray for me lol
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Well the no damage issue is good news.
Is this a new shifter?
 
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