Cylinder Head Choice

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How does one run out of magnum blocks....????? Or maybe it's the scat kits.... IDK. Could I shell out 3k for a short block??? Probably not.. LOL, I'd end up throwing together another 372.46 318 :D
I want to say they make their own rotating assembly but I'm not positive of that. They're very high production so they need to get hundreds of blocks to even make a run of engines....
 
How does one run out of magnum blocks....????? Or maybe it's the scat kits.... IDK. Could I shell out 3k for a short block??? Probably not.. LOL, I'd end up throwing together another 372.46 318 :D
BP is not selling their basic block rebuilds anymore but concentrating on their fully dressed engines. I ordered a 408 back in Feb, and it is supposed to be shipped the end of the month. 12 weeks (closer to 16). Local shop wants 2500 labor to build an engine and the SCAT rotating engine kit I wanted was around 3K. Local shop was also 4 months lead time.
 
God damn. This ***** gettin crazy. We’ve been played, hard.

I like the 10 sec 318 idea. Start from the back with a Dana 60, Ford 9”, or 8-3/4 but for what guys want for an A-Body version is silly. 4.10 gears with a sure grip.

SS springs and a pinion snubber. Start from there and work forward. Keep us posted after that.
 
I'm a Trick Flow dealer and just wanted to clarify, Trick Flow recommends a pricey rocker arm, but there are many varieties that work just fine for a lot less money.
LOL, yes I know and I purchased a set from you with the rocker arms. Below is the wife setting up “Her TF heads” (on her kitchen table) that I call and purchased with her money.
(We had a issue with TT getting attaching hard wear for a couple of weeks.)
What other rockers do you like on top?
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@greymouser7

this BULLSHIT about “Trick Flow, Edelbrock Victor or a ported version of an Edelbrock.” isn’t for the typical 318 engine builder; those heads go on rocket 340/360’s but more often on 406”++cubic inch stroker engines. The port volume of the victor or trick flow would make your low rpm performance lazy and not match the camshaft you mentioned as well. They are for HIGH rpms on a 318
Depends on the level of porting, AKA, how large the port cross sectional area is. Even then, you would build to suite and IMO a ported Edelbrock or a OOTB TF head would be fine on a 318. At least with some type of a street cred build. Even a mild-ish cam would be fine. I just don’t really see the point of a high flow head wi a low lift cam.

This is the cam/lifters I ended up choosing per RumbleFish360’s suggestion and returned the one in my original post.

Mopar Performance P4120657AE Mopar Performance Purple Camshaft Kits | Summit Racing

I didn’t so much as recommend the cam but pointed out that is what I would do for a easy street build via following the MP engines book suggested list of parts which is well proven to produce the results one would be seeking. This cam, if still available, is an excellent performing cam. If it is not available, that cams specs should be a bad line as to where to start.

Then go for it. You can’t learn just by reading, but you can learn by reading AND doing. And that’s the best way to do it. Read everything you can find. Marry none of it. Then start applying what you read and see how it goes.

You’ll do just fine. You already have the right attitude. That’s 98.75% of the battle right there.

I did suggest to him to start with the MP books for a good base line on knowledge and how stuff gets done. The book has never steered me wrong and has always worked. I’ve had a lot of people scream (literally) at mean that the books full of **** and a total pile.
I can’t figure that one out.
 
LOL, yes I know and I purchased a set from you with the rocker arms. Below is the wife setting up “Her TF heads” (on her kitchen table) that I call and purchased with her money.
(We had a issue with TT getting attaching hard wear for a couple of weeks.)
What other rockers do you like on top?
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Comp or T&D. If Comp would step up and offer more ratios, I would use a lot more of them.
 
LOL, yes I know and I purchased a set from you with the rocker arms.
Yes, you do, but there are probably some who don't. I just didn't want people disheartened thinking they couldn't use a reasonably priced rocker on the TF heads.
 
Yes, you do, but there are probably some who don't. I just didn't want people disheartened thinking they couldn't use a reasonably priced rocker on the TF heads.
That’s a good heads up Mike. Good thinking. Thanks for that. I’m sure there’s a few people here reading this that will sigh in relief.
 
Spacegrasss, Here are some questions and suggestions. #1 STOP BUYING PARTS! Slow down, take a breath. Establish a plan. You said porting wasn't a possibility for you. Do you weld or just turn wrenches? That helps us understand a bit, but there's more to it. There's more to a 10.5 car than a checkbook or credit card. Do you have a secure garage? Do you have tools? Are you going to do the work yourself, pay someone to do it for you, or pay someone to work with you? How long are you willing to have the car inoperable at a time, and how often being able to take it out for a drive between mods? Try and get into the mid 12's to low 13's with basic mods to your 318 first while you learn and build a separate engine while you work on the rest of the car. Those last two seconds are going to be expensive. Do you want to run pump gas, pump gas with octane booster, or race gas? What % street use and what % dragstrip? Do you want to be able to drive to a car show on the interstate? If so, then you are looking at an upgrade to an overdrive trans of some sort with any ratio over 4.00. Do you even know if you have a 7 1/4", 8 1/4", or 8 3/4" rear in it now? Do you want to buy a new driveshaft now for the new rear, then turn around and buy another one if/when you go to an overdrive so you can drive it on the highway? Can you weld in frame connecters, or are you going to take the you tube advice that it's better not to and allow the body to flex so you don't pop spot welds? How far from home is the dragstrip? Are you going to drive it to the strip or trailer it? If you drive it, how are you going to get home when you break it? 10.5 with a 318 isn't going to be happy in stop and go traffic. Price your rear end, suspension, brakes. Price your tranny. Price your converter. Price your driveshaft. Now start to think about your motor. You have to get your fuel system - carb, efi, fuel lines, fuel pump, maybe a new intake, too. Mid 10's with a stock bottom end? If you can't check pushrod length, how are you going to measure clearances? If you can't port, how are you going to deburr casting flash and clean your oil passages? Price oil pans and pickups. Have you priced the bolt on TTI headers, then the exhaust? Are you going to add cutouts to the exhaust for at the track? Do you want an interior with creature comforts? Stop buying parts until you establish at least a baseline plan and be honest with yourself about what you can and can't do. Know someone that runs mid 11's at the strip? Volunteer to be on their pit crew, not just at the track but to see what they work on between visits. Don't give up, but maybe slow down and open your eyes a bit wider. 318willrun has lots of hours working with vehicles, same with Gas Tap and Uncle Tony. You can see what Gas Tap has done in steps with Mr. Jones, with narrowing the rear, moving the springs in, adding subframe connecters, working with a 360 and turbo, and see what his best time is? And he broke the motor because he didn't do the basic increase of ring gap before adding boost. There are pitfalls, mistakes cost money. Try and figure out how you are going to reach your goals, what parts it will take to get there, what order to do the upgrades, etc. Maybe start with a spiral bound notebook that has sections, or a notebook with loose leaf pages. Divide it into sections, number them the same as the factory service manual for your specific car. Then you can fill out each section with what you are going to do to the car and the price to do so. As you do things, keep track in that notebook of what you change, what you put in it. Then 5 years from now when you need a brake rotor or axle seal or brake pad you will be able to know what to replace it with. Even better if you record the actual part #'s you used. I'm no racer, but I wish I kept better track of things I did. I know it's an 8 3/4" sure grip 3.23 with 10" drums and SBP. The old ball and trunion 4 speed 833 upgraded to a newer slip front yoke on the custom shortened driveshaft - early A that had a 7 1/4" that I blew the spiders out of. Replaced the 9 1/4"(?) clutch with a 10 11/2" - that meant a shortened Z bar. Wore out the hi-po 273 that was 10.5 to 1 and was tired of adjusting valve lash, hello '72 low compression small valve hydraulic lifter 340 that was early '72 so still a forged crank. That meant welding a triangle into the motor mount. Upgraded dual points to electronic. Done in steps - broke the rear, then broke the ball and trunion, left 9 1/4" clutch set up when I first went to 340. Change clutch. All baby steps compared to what you have in front of you. Make a plan, go slow, HAVE FUN! Get ready to get dirty and get used to grease under your fingernails. Hope this helps .........................
 
Spacegrass, Suggestion #2. Buy and read. One source has already been mentioned in previous posts. 2 others from SA Design, "How to build big-inch Mopar small blocks" by Szilagyi. Larry Shepard has a couple different versions out, first was LA only. 2nd version "MOPAR small block engines, how to build max performance" includes the previous LA info as well as some Magnum info. Some of the old Direct Connection books had suggestions for packages to run a specific time. I have an old white cover probably about an inch and a half thick, can't put my fingers on it right now for the title but it would be out of print but maybe someone else can chime in with the title in case you want to watch evil bay for one. A factory service manual for your vehicle will help you know what is there to begin with, much more specific information than a general Chilton's or Motors. It can come in handy with wiring diagrams, hose and cable routings, etc. You may be able to check Chilton's or Motors out from your local library so you can see what they cover. Ask questions, get answers. Form your own opinions. Go on from there. I may get flack for this but there's no replacement for displacement IF you want to optimize drivability on the street and still get a certain timeslip. If you stay with a 318 you could cheat and add a 4" stroke for 392 cu.in. and it will still have a 318 casting #. Your secret if you choose. If you are dead set on only 318, my suggestion would be to look for a roller cam LA block for your "hot" engine build. It may save you from having flat cam lobes when you first get it running if the start up doesn't go smoothly and you try to break in the cam with heavy valve springs. You can start with softer springs for the cam break in and change the springs on the motor with air in the cylinder, but not an issue with a roller, whether hydraulic or solid lifter. Then you can build your high compression motor while still enjoying driving your car. Kind of along the lines of 318willrun adding a four barrel to his 318 to get things ready for when he swapped in the 360. Hope this helps ..............
 
@Curvedglass

(pssst, paragraphs my man, paragraphs!)

Good posts. He is proceeding at a scary rate!!! I think that “White book” your thinking of is “How to Hotrod your small block MoPar.” I have most of those books written by past MP chief/head engineers and notable people. The information becomes redundant.

The best thing about the books are the combinations they present at the end and the information & suggestions they present for the new guy looking to build a MoPar engine. I really like the tips given on camshafts and carburetor because they don’t push the issue but give really help suggestions on what will work very well.
 
LOL, yes I know and I purchased a set from you with the rocker arms. Below is the wife setting up “Her TF heads” (on her kitchen table) that I call and purchased with her money.
(We had a issue with TT getting attaching hard wear for a couple of weeks.)
What other rockers do you like on top?
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Wow, she is building on her kitchen table?! Wow! Now that's a great woman!!! woo hoo!!!
 
Wow, she is building on her kitchen table?! Wow! Now that's a great woman!!! woo hoo!!!
Thanks and yea man! When the time came to upgrade her ride, she asked what’s the best head currently available. I told her the TF’s are brand new, have great flow rates, showing there excellent reputation yet again showing love on the MoPar guys, IMO, it’s what to get now. So she said order them up and get me 1.6 rockers with it and handed me the cash. Her money, not mine.

So I called up Mike @B3RE and had a small chat with him and ordered up what the wife wanted.

Mike @ B3 is an awesome dude, very helpful with a super positive attitude willing to take a few minutes with you. I’m telling ya now brother. You can’t beat Mike!

(Thanks again Mike!)
 
Hi everyone!

This has all been a ton of help! Mike and I had a long talk yesterday and I learned a lot. It’s pretty easy to get overwhelmed with all the options, but we’re going through exactly what fits for a more realistic build - back to front. This way I can get the right things in the right order.

I’ve been getting the books mentioned and as I learn, I’ll be able to modify and love the car more and more. As things progress, I’ll keep everyone updated!
 
Good! Now if you said I am a racer looking to step up the game, what’s a combo for a 10.5 car....

Enjoy the build! Post pictures on a new build thread so we can see your progress!!!
 
Hi everyone!

This has all been a ton of help! Mike and I had a long talk yesterday and I learned a lot. It’s pretty easy to get overwhelmed with all the options, but we’re going through exactly what fits for a more realistic build - back to front. This way I can get the right things in the right order.

I’ve been getting the books mentioned and as I learn, I’ll be able to modify and love the car more and more. As things progress, I’ll keep everyone updated!


I hope you took notes. Mike is one sharp cat and you can learn so much from him for free it’s ridiculous. Plus, you won’t find a nicer guy anywhere.
 
Rumblefish, No the white covered 1 1/2" thick book I was referencing was from Direct Connection from maybe about '74 to '78. Tom Hoover and other Chrysler guys were travelling the country putting on drag seminars. That was about the time Tom first came out with his 372, a turned down main journal 360 crank in a 340 block for his second gen 'Cuda, a notchback not a fastback IIRC. Lots of talk about sonic checking for bore shift and recommending just an 0.020 overbore on anything if you could get away with it for better cylinder stability. Now all the stroker kits are 0.030 off the shelf and most of the popular crate engines are 0.040 overbore, cheaper to run one bore size for the run, but why bore away good material if you don't need to? Now everyone with a four link wants their car to squat for better weight transfer off the line, they were espousing Rear End Rise to plant the tires harder - evident when watching SS and Pro Stock spring equipped vehicles leave the line. This was in the heyday of the E body Pro Stock cars and the A/M and A/A Hemi Darts and 'Cudas in Super Stock.
The book was put out by Chrysler not any one author. Maybe Direct Connection Drag Racing Manual or something like that. Lots of different sections, each section had breakdowns for what time you hoped to run, which combos worked together and which ones didn't. Covered /6, La, B & RB, and Hemis. Stock combos, Super Stock Combos, Pro Stock, non class E.T. combos. Pretty much the same size as my Factory Service Manuals from the early and mid 60's, before they started to split them into a couple of different books for one vehicle - my '77 Volare (sing it!) Wagon 318 overdrive 3 speed with overdrive 833 with 3rd direct and O.D. 3rd with the shift lever reversed came in two sections.
Hope this clarifies the old bible I was trying to reference. Any of you seniors out there have one you can take a picture of and post? Sorry about my previous non paragraphed rambles. But I do hope that they help the OP ease into his project vs going in guns a blazin', offered with the best intentions. Hope this helps...................
 
@Curvedglass , thanks for that. The rear end squat is something to consider when your going beyond a certain level of for which I am unclear on. There is a fella running a black Dart super quick on leaf springs. Perhaps goggle “Worlds quickest lead spring car” for a result.
I think most people switch out long before that.

I don’t always subscribe to “What were supposed to do” very far. Sometimes it applies, sometimes it doesn’t. What anyone should do is be comfortable in how they do it.
 
You also have to consider the small bore on a 318. Big valves just won't work...maybe if you notch the bore on top to clear the intake valve.

How about talking to a good shop familiar with Mopar engines? Likely a better idea than just getting 80 varied opinions online many from well meaning folks who may not have the best info...like me!
 
A qualified shop familiar with MoPar engines would be great. FWIW, 2.02/1.60 valves clear the 3.91 bore. BTDT
 
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