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Dartswinger70 said:
I am in Pa,and maple grove is close ,say half hour from the house. Cecil county MD is also commutable, Atco NJ is still there Englishtown closed in 2018 I beleive.
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Cincinnati has Edgewater, Thornhill, and Kilkare all within about an hour of the city. You can go three hours and add National Trail, Indy, Ohio Valley, and Clay city.
 
I'm not a big fan of most NHRA decisions when it comes to racing...but moving out of California is a very good business decision. The cost of everything here in Indiana is probably 1/2 to 1/3 of that in CA.
 
Drag racing is on very shaky ground, for me, because as population has grown it's gotten harder to find a track that is tolerable. A lot of tracks have gone to 1/8th mile, and even those are so crowded it's a beating to go. I'm not big on killing an entire day just to make 2 or 3 runs. And I'm amazed that for every car that makes a clean run down the track there is still car that pukes coolant or breaks or does something to shut down the action for 30 minutes. What is it with ricers, fart tips, and those ear-splitting backfires they all seem to emit?? And the posing has gotten out of hand....the last time I went, they weren't even posting the times/MPH on the board because several of the 'big gun' racers didn't want their times publicly displayed. Compared to 25 years ago, I can't see any aspect that's gotten anything but worse.
 
yellow rose said:
It’s not just that. They aren’t moving to get out of California, or they would have done the move 20 years ago. Like when California was dicking with the racers because of bridge laws or some ****, so every big team with a semi was stopped at the border and screwed with.

They are going down. By hook and crook they have buried almost every sanctioning body. There are many articles on how this was done and it was effective.

Let’s not forget that Wally Parks, who is loved and adored by the unwashed masses banned nitromethane. This is the same sanctioning body that said anyone on “Street Outlaws: who had an NHRA license couldn’t compete at an NHRA event unless they capitulated and the drivers kissed A Wally while standing in a snow storm in their underwear.

I could go on, but that’s the tip of the iceberg. I won’t even begin to touch the topic of Pro Stock Truck and the absolute grudge screwing those guys got, and I’ve never forgotten the bootlicking, backstabbing *** clowns that worked with NHRA to kill it. I won’t go there as I would get really pissed off.

Hopefully soon the NHRA will be dead, rotting corpse and several other sanctions bodies will grow bigger. Maybe a few new ones will start up.
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Just a little clarification on Wally and nitro. A group of So. Col. strip owners, CJ Hart et.al, went to NHRA because they the cars were getting too fast for their tracks, and Wally told them to do what they chose, and, NHRA would go along.
 
gregcon said:
Drag racing is on very shaky ground, for me, because as population has grown it's gotten harder to find a track that is tolerable. A lot of tracks have gone to 1/8th mile, and even those are so crowded it's a beating to go. I'm not big on killing an entire day just to make 2 or 3 runs. And I'm amazed that for every car that makes a clean run down the track there is still car that pukes coolant or breaks or does something to shut down the action for 30 minutes. What is it with ricers, fart tips, and those ear-splitting backfires they all seem to emit?? And the posing has gotten out of hand....the last time I went, they weren't even posting the times/MPH on the board because several of the 'big gun' racers didn't want their times publicly displayed. Compared to 25 years ago, I can't see any aspect that's gotten anything but worse.
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In a thread talking about how the sport isn’t as popular as it used to be you are complaining about how crowded race tracks are? As far as the rivers go, I imagine guys back in the day said something similar when a slant six car would make a pass. Not my cup of tee but if it’s bringing young people in who can’t afford to build a muscle car then I’m all for it.
 
I don't care if the sport is popular or not - I care about whether it is enjoyable or not.

As for ricers, I don't care if they are slow or fast. I do care if they are pieces of **** or not. A 4 cyl. civic that makes a clean run? Fine with me. One that backfires 27 times and wets the track? Nope.
 
gregcon said:
I don't care if the sport is popular or not - I care about whether it is enjoyable or not.

As for ricers, I don't care if they are slow or fast. I do care if they are pieces of **** or not. A 4 cyl. civic that makes a clean run? Fine with me. One that backfires 27 times and wets the track? Nope.
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You better start caring about weather or not it is popular or it’s not going to be around.
 
mcode said:
Just a little clarification on Wally and nitro. A group of So. Col. strip owners, CJ Hart et.al, went to NHRA because they the cars were getting too fast for their tracks, and Wally told them to do what they chose, and, NHRA would go along.
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Yeah, I know that history. The fact is NHRA is a for profit entity and should be run as such. Wally Parks was an organizer much more than a racer.

Look at what happens to innovation at NHRA. It is stifled. NHRA makes rules based on who is paying. I can give two easy examples, but there are many more.

I forget the year, but it wasn’t long after Pro Stock was allowed 5 forward gears, and all the sniveling snivelers were crying their eyes out that Pro Stock engines RPM so fast no human could pull a damn lever. There was going to be more aborted runs, more broken engines because they were being shifted too late (forgetting they all run Rev limiters) and the class would suffer a loss of drivers. This BTW was AFTER the vast majority of PS teams, drivers and fans all said 5 gears wouldn’t be any quicker that 4). Yeah, they were wrong. So NHRA, instead of telling the class to ball up and drive or head to the golf course capitulated and allowed “button” shifters. A little button on top of the shift handle and pushing it shifted the gear box.

What a joke. Anyone with the IQ above a grape could see cheating was going to be the norm. I mean, how hard would it be to rig the system to shift off the data logger? Not hard. And guess what?? In Seattle, a very well funded PS car (who BTW this car and team and owner spends HUGE money advertising at NHRA events, sponsors race series and a host of other money making deals for NHRA to gain a profit) was caught, on video not shifting his car. ESPN or whoever was doing the production (could have been NHRA...I can’t remember how the deal worked back then) had a camera positioned at the end of the track, shooting back towards the starting line.

It was clear as the noon day sun that the car got loose, the driver had BOTH HANDS on the wheel and you could hear the car shift. And guess what??? Because he and his family had an advertising war chest that kept NHRA execs with full pockets he was spanked on his bottom with a feather duster and told not to be a bad boy again.

And BTW, this was AFTER he got popped for cheating with fuel. And after Darrell Alderman got popped for cocaine and was suspended. What DA did was at best a minimal thing. Hell, most people I know could have been convicted of what he was, because the way the laws are written you only have to THINK to do something and you are guilty. An off track violation and he was banned for at least a year, maybe two. I forget. And in the above example, we have a two time on track offender and rule breaker walking off Scott free.

And what about EFI in Pro Stock??? What a JOKE that was and still is. Just like the RPM rule, which Nick Ferri and I (Nick is a sharp dude, but he could never make a Chrysler PS engine competitive) argued about for days on the interweb. And just as I said, adding the RPM rule was another nail in the coffin of the Dodge PS program and it didn’t save a damn thin dime. Not one. Even Chris McGhaha said it was 24 races a year that was killing the teams, not valve springs. He laid out the math. But yet and still, even in the light of reason and math, NHRA implemented the rule. And Dodge left.

Ok, back to EFI, which also BTW was a giant nail in the coffin of the Dodge PS effort. You see, NHRA didn’t go to EFI any sooner because once again, a worthless corporation with a huge wallet to shower NHRA execs with cash (and who knows what else...I could mention the Even Knoll fiasco, but several people got their weenies cut off for that deal and STILL are not racing NHRA....things that make you go Hmmmmmm) was allowed to “develop” EFI and then was given the “contract” to supply all the teams with EFI! Isn’t that nice? Not really.

For years and years people tried to get NHRA to loosen the PS rules to allow other than Holley manufactured carbs to be used in PS. As long as Holley was writing beaucoup checks to NHRA, no one could get anywhere in Glendora.

That was until Barry Grant came along. I’m not even close to a Barry Grant fan, but they guy has balls. He went after Holley. He forced the thing to court where Holley lost. That allowed carb tuners and builders the ability to make their own carb parts that were (and still are) far superior to what Holley does today. And the results were quicker ET’s and higher MPH because there was competition. Carbs today, like the BLP BX4, the stuff Dominic at Thumpr Carbs or the carbs Mark Whitener (Lightning Carbs) produce make carb tuning easy and simple, and that’s just Naomi good three builders. There are many more out there.

NHRA fought that tooth and nail just to protect a sponsor. Competition, both on and off the track didn’t matter. NHRA had to protect that income stream. But how does this fit with EFI?? Because history repeats.

When Holley finally had a system ready, the rule came down from the ivory tower in California that EFI was mandatory. Sound familiar? NHRA was protecting a sponsor to the detriment of the sport. The NFL would never do that. But NHRA does.

So rather that let any EFI manufacturer play, NHRA mandated the Holley system and nothing else. I’m no EFI expert, but I do know the MegaSquirt stuff was (and probably still is) light years ahead of the Holley EFI. I’m guessing there are several other systems out there that can do better than the Holley stuff, but they are shut out too. In fact, Holley couldn’t provide decent support to the PS teams about their EFI, so the better funded teams brought in outside consultants to unscrew the Holley system. Those with limited funding got to pick **** with the chickens. Again. And yet NHRA was still claiming to effort to reduce the cost of PS, when the reality is they are slowly choking it to death. They learned from the Pro Stock Truck debacle that killing a class and causing the loss of millions of dollars to racers and their investments was not only bad policy, it was grounds for lawsuits. So they just slowly squeeze the life out of the class so when it does die off NHRA won’t be in court.

So what about the EFI change was so horrible other than the preferential treatment of a sponsor (lets not forget the “energy drink” fiasco...but that’s another story in the dark history of NHRA isn’t it???) over open competition? It was all the other rules that went with it, such as losing the hood scoop. You see, that was a monumental blow to the Dodge PS program, and by Dodge I mean the Johnson family, who BTW a was crapped on by Ma MoPar more than once.

Because the PS “hemi” engine has a relatively short intake port in the head compared to the DRCE III stuff, the only way to get the runner length correct was with the intake manifold. The shorter the port length from the valve to the carb or throttle body, the higher the RPM the intake tract will be tuned to. Oh wait...there is an RPM limit. Hmmmmm. So between the RPM limit and the loss of the tunnel ram manifold, the Dodge PS engine program was not only neutered, it was made obsolete.

One would have to be as dumb as a box of hair to think NHRA didn’t know and understand this. So their answer was NASCAResque. They now say run any body you want, just drop a GM platform engine in there. The PS fan is so retarded they won’t know. Or care. But I know. I care. And by the looks of it, so do hundreds of thousands of fans.

So why not allow competition? Why not let the best system win out? Isn’t that what Pro Stock was (and should be) about??? PS is the engine and chassis builders showcase for NA engines and state of the art chassis development so why not let EFI compete against carbs on the track, where it counts?

Because NHRA just doesn’t care about anything but money. It’s a for profit-non profit, so it can do bullshit like that and stuff survive.

Why not say carbs and hood scoops are fine? And EFI and hood scoops are fine? Or EFI and no hood scoop? Or carbs and no scoop? And let other manufacturers of EFI compete in PS? And let the best system rule the day?

Because it wasn’t profitable for NHRA. And that’s the bottom line. What a shame and a sham.

Again, this isn’t news or even new to anyone who has followed NHRA for very long. We could discuss pilfering sponsors from the teams, but would it matter? We could discuss “no compete” clauses in advertising contracts, but would it matter?

When NHRA lost tobacco money even Ray Charles could see the breach in the wall. Then the beer money dried up and that was a gut punch. It’s apparent that NHRA has no forward look.

Let’s not forget that when Coca Cola didn’t renew its NHRA sponsorship (Mellow Yellow was the brand) NHRA had to scramble to put together the weak assed package they now have with Camping World. How much lower down the advertising food chain can NHRA go before they capsize?

The TV package is absolutely horrible. Way too much bullshit for the number of passes we see. Why not skip all that talking and show some of the lower classes??? It would allow those guys to get more sponsorship dollars because of the added exposure. Yeah, that ain’t happening.

This is only the tip of the ice berg. The best hope is NHRA just goes away so something can fill the void. It’s near impossible now because NHRA has a strangle hold through various mechanisms. And they work.

That’s what’s wrong with NHRA in a nutshell, and I’m not the only one who sees it, or says anything about it.
 
doogievlg said:
You better start caring about weather or not it is popular or it’s not going to be around.
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Popularity won’t save NHRA. Again it would be better for the sport were NHRA gone. Look at how they handled the Street Outlaws situation. NHRA got its balls kicked in by that stupid move. And that’s what should have happened.

But as I said in my above post, NHRA has mechanisms in place to allow them to control the narrative in most any area they want.

NHRA needs to go. And soon.
 
Track I go to has been around for ever, and has a lot of history. They switched to IHRA years ago. Prices are still very reasonable, staging lanes are full, stands are empty unless a special event, and still racing 1/4 mile !

  • IHRA Sanctioned

  • 1/4 Mile Track

  • Concrete Safety Wall
  • Track Elevation 632 feet above sea level

  • 300 foot smooth ground concrete launch surface

  • 1400 feet of asphalt

  • 2000 feet of shutdown and 500 foot sand trap followed by farm field

  • Compulink Timing System

  • Musco Stadium Lighting

  • 190 Acre Facility

  • VP Racing Fuels on site

  • On-Site Camping

  • Large fenced in children’s playground located within site of tower

  • Large Pavilion Area

  • Pit side restrooms have showers
 
318willrun said:
Track I go to has been around for ever, and has a lot of history. They switched to IHRA years ago. Prices are still very reasonable, staging lanes are full, stands are empty unless a special event.
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That track never had a Nation Event did it? What about Divisional Events?
 
yellow rose said:
Right. But did they ever hold an NHRA National or Divisional Event?
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probably not.... As a "occasional tnt'er", I look for weekends of non-events LOL
I guess I was just posting not so much as NHRA concerns but drag racing in general.
 
Popularity has never been an issue for drag racing. I can't think of a single year, or period of years, when drag racing was in fear of dying due to lack of popularity. I doubt it will ever die...but it does seem to get less and less attractive as time goes on.

Sports.....I think in 50 years all sports will be banned for one reason or another, and there will only be one sport - non-contact football using a non-animal, non-chemical based football where there is 30 seconds of playtime and 3.5 hours of players each telling us just why they have a problem with how much they get paid and why heterosexual, white people are the root of all evil. We'll all learn to accept their words as Truth while ignoring the 13 kids they've each had out of wedlock with 11 different white women.
 
318willrun said:
probably not.... As a "occasional tnt'er", I look for weekends of non-events LOL
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Yeah, that’s just one way NHRA can control a track.

As an FYI, in 1994 I tried to get an IHRA sanction for my local track to compete against the nonsense that was going on there. I had IHRA signed on to do it IF I could get the track dates (that should have been easy IF the city of Portland followed its own laws), IF I could get an insurance binder and IF a I could supply my own timing equipment.

I had the money lined up to cover the insurance and the timing equipment, plus some operating capital. The big deal was getting the dates, and the city of Portland broke it’s own laws. It violated several of its own rules that were laid out so that the park could be used for what it was built to be used for.

It was appalling how it all went down. People way higher up the food chain from different venues (and from other tracks) came together and put the squeeze on me to stop what I was doing. They got to my money guys. They went to my friends and threatened to do certain things to certain series to affect whole groups of people.

I lost several friends over the deal. Not that I care, because that’s on them. But the end result was a nice object lesson on what actual power NHRA has and how they use it. Even on little old me.

It was also a great lesson in that telling a lie for years can become a truth. That’s real and it happens. The promoter said he was “grandfathered” in and only he had the right to promote drag racing at the park. The fact was (and still is) he was lying. So did the guy who was before him. Both liars..and the idiots believed him. When in fact, the city of Portland has clear, definitive rules about the use of ANY city park. And yet, to this day they break those rules and laws.

What a shame.
 
yellow rose said:
Yeah, that’s just one way NHRA can control a track.

As an FYI, in 1994 I tried to get an IHRA sanction for my local track to compete against the nonsense that was going on there. I had IHRA signed on to do it IF I could get the track dates (that should have been easy IF the city of Portland followed its own laws), IF I could get an insurance binder and IF a I could supply my own timing equipment.

I had the money lined up to cover the insurance and the timing equipment, plus some operating capital. The big deal was getting the dates, and the city of Portland broke it’s own laws. It violated several of its own rules that were laid out so that the park could be used for what it was built to be used for.

It was appalling how it all went down. People way higher up the food chain from different venues (and from other tracks) came together and put the squeeze on me to stop what I was doing. They got to my money guys. They went to my friends and threatened to do certain things to certain series to affect whole groups of people.

I lost several friends over the deal. Not that I care, because that’s on them. But the end result was a nice object lesson on what actual power NHRA has and how they use it. Even on little old me.

It was also a great lesson in that telling a lie for years can become a truth. That’s real and it happens. The promoter said he was “grandfathered” in and only he had the right to promote drag racing at the park. The fact was (and still is) he was lying. So did the guy who was before him. Both liars..and the idiots believed him. When in fact, the city of Portland has clear, definitive rules about the use of ANY city park. And yet, to this day they break those rules and laws.

What a shame.
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It is a shame. What I like about Cordova is the super friendly, family environment. DID YOU KNOW THEY STILL PRAY BEFORE RACES ??? yep, right over the PA system, and they end in "in Jesus name, Amen". LOL. Nice not having the thumb of NHRA putting the track in a headlock.
 
yellow rose said:
Popularity won’t save NHRA. Again it would be better for the sport were NHRA gone. Look at how they handled the Street Outlaws situation. NHRA got its balls kicked in by that stupid move. And that’s what should have happened.

But as I said in my above post, NHRA has mechanisms in place to allow them to control the narrative in most any area they want.

NHRA needs to go. And soon.
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something tells me the civics aren’t bracket racing. I was referring to drag racing in general and I believe the person I was responding was also.
 
Dartswinger70 said:
i was at my local drag strip recently and the price of admission was alot less than I thought it would have been. I was thinking at least $25 a person it was $15. And test and tune night to run my car is $30 and $20 for a guest/crew. Not bad I think. I suppose if they jack up the price no one will come out...

What I see is alot of "street" type YT videos and ""Street outlaws" it seems to be promoting carrying on on the street whereas when I was young we were told to take it to the track, street racing was frowned upon, too many innocent bystanders got hurt 35 years or more ago. I think there is still a law on the books in Pa if caught street racing they take your car and you don't get it back.
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I remember drag racing on the street back in the late 60's early 70's a little differently as far as spectator injuries. None of us had cell phones that made us want to clump up and video the races. Now these morons deliberately gather like rats to video over top of each other. Compound that with higher horsepower cars and over their head owners spinning into poles,other vehicles and Darwins finest and now your pulling bodies out from under cars.
 
I think you hit most of the biggies and only left out the Harley Davidson/Vance and Hines farce.
yellow rose said:
Yeah, I know that history. The fact is NHRA is a for profit entity and should be run as such. Wally Parks was an organizer much more than a racer.

Look at what happens to innovation at NHRA. It is stifled. NHRA makes rules based on who is paying. I can give two easy examples, but there are many more.

I forget the year, but it wasn’t long after Pro Stock was allowed 5 forward gears, and all the sniveling snivelers were crying their eyes out that Pro Stock engines RPM so fast no human could pull a damn lever. There was going to be more aborted runs, more broken engines because they were being shifted too late (forgetting they all run Rev limiters) and the class would suffer a loss of drivers. This BTW was AFTER the vast majority of PS teams, drivers and fans all said 5 gears wouldn’t be any quicker that 4). Yeah, they were wrong. So NHRA, instead of telling the class to ball up and drive or head to the golf course capitulated and allowed “button” shifters. A little button on top of the shift handle and pushing it shifted the gear box.

What a joke. Anyone with the IQ above a grape could see cheating was going to be the norm. I mean, how hard would it be to rig the system to shift off the data logger? Not hard. And guess what?? In Seattle, a very well funded PS car (who BTW this car and team and owner spends HUGE money advertising at NHRA events, sponsors race series and a host of other money making deals for NHRA to gain a profit) was caught, on video not shifting his car. ESPN or whoever was doing the production (could have been NHRA...I can’t remember how the deal worked back then) had a camera positioned at the end of the track, shooting back towards the starting line.

It was clear as the noon day sun that the car got loose, the driver had BOTH HANDS on the wheel and you could hear the car shift. And guess what??? Because he and his family had an advertising war chest that kept NHRA execs with full pockets he was spanked on his bottom with a feather duster and told not to be a bad boy again.

And BTW, this was AFTER he got popped for cheating with fuel. And after Darrell Alderman got popped for cocaine and was suspended. What DA did was at best a minimal thing. Hell, most people I know could have been convicted of what he was, because the way the laws are written you only have to THINK to do something and you are guilty. An off track violation and he was banned for at least a year, maybe two. I forget. And in the above example, we have a two time on track offender and rule breaker walking off Scott free.

And what about EFI in Pro Stock??? What a JOKE that was and still is. Just like the RPM rule, which Nick Ferri and I (Nick is a sharp dude, but he could never make a Chrysler PS engine competitive) argued about for days on the interweb. And just as I said, adding the RPM rule was another nail in the coffin of the Dodge PS program and it didn’t save a damn thin dime. Not one. Even Chris McGhaha said it was 24 races a year that was killing the teams, not valve springs. He laid out the math. But yet and still, even in the light of reason and math, NHRA implemented the rule. And Dodge left.

Ok, back to EFI, which also BTW was a giant nail in the coffin of the Dodge PS effort. You see, NHRA didn’t go to EFI any sooner because once again, a worthless corporation with a huge wallet to shower NHRA execs with cash (and who knows what else...I could mention the Even Knoll fiasco, but several people got their weenies cut off for that deal and STILL are not racing NHRA....things that make you go Hmmmmmm) was allowed to “develop” EFI and then was given the “contract” to supply all the teams with EFI! Isn’t that nice? Not really.

For years and years people tried to get NHRA to loosen the PS rules to allow other than Holley manufactured carbs to be used in PS. As long as Holley was writing beaucoup checks to NHRA, no one could get anywhere in Glendora.

That was until Barry Grant came along. I’m not even close to a Barry Grant fan, but they guy has balls. He went after Holley. He forced the thing to court where Holley lost. That allowed carb tuners and builders the ability to make their own carb parts that were (and still are) far superior to what Holley does today. And the results were quicker ET’s and higher MPH because there was competition. Carbs today, like the BLP BX4, the stuff Dominic at Thumpr Carbs or the carbs Mark Whitener (Lightning Carbs) produce make carb tuning easy and simple, and that’s just Naomi good three builders. There are many more out there.

NHRA fought that tooth and nail just to protect a sponsor. Competition, both on and off the track didn’t matter. NHRA had to protect that income stream. But how does this fit with EFI?? Because history repeats.

When Holley finally had a system ready, the rule came down from the ivory tower in California that EFI was mandatory. Sound familiar? NHRA was protecting a sponsor to the detriment of the sport. The NFL would never do that. But NHRA does.

So rather that let any EFI manufacturer play, NHRA mandated the Holley system and nothing else. I’m no EFI expert, but I do know the MegaSquirt stuff was (and probably still is) light years ahead of the Holley EFI. I’m guessing there are several other systems out there that can do better than the Holley stuff, but they are shut out too. In fact, Holley couldn’t provide decent support to the PS teams about their EFI, so the better funded teams brought in outside consultants to unscrew the Holley system. Those with limited funding got to pick **** with the chickens. Again. And yet NHRA was still claiming to effort to reduce the cost of PS, when the reality is they are slowly choking it to death. They learned from the Pro Stock Truck debacle that killing a class and causing the loss of millions of dollars to racers and their investments was not only bad policy, it was grounds for lawsuits. So they just slowly squeeze the life out of the class so when it does die off NHRA won’t be in court.

So what about the EFI change was so horrible other than the preferential treatment of a sponsor (lets not forget the “energy drink” fiasco...but that’s another story in the dark history of NHRA isn’t it???) over open competition? It was all the other rules that went with it, such as losing the hood scoop. You see, that was a monumental blow to the Dodge PS program, and by Dodge I mean the Johnson family, who BTW a was crapped on by Ma MoPar more than once.

Because the PS “hemi” engine has a relatively short intake port in the head compared to the DRCE III stuff, the only way to get the runner length correct was with the intake manifold. The shorter the port length from the valve to the carb or throttle body, the higher the RPM the intake tract will be tuned to. Oh wait...there is an RPM limit. Hmmmmm. So between the RPM limit and the loss of the tunnel ram manifold, the Dodge PS engine program was not only neutered, it was made obsolete.

One would have to be as dumb as a box of hair to think NHRA didn’t know and understand this. So their answer was NASCAResque. They now say run any body you want, just drop a GM platform engine in there. The PS fan is so retarded they won’t know. Or care. But I know. I care. And by the looks of it, so do hundreds of thousands of fans.

So why not allow competition? Why not let the best system win out? Isn’t that what Pro Stock was (and should be) about??? PS is the engine and chassis builders showcase for NA engines and state of the art chassis development so why not let EFI compete against carbs on the track, where it counts?

Because NHRA just doesn’t care about anything but money. It’s a for profit-non profit, so it can do bullshit like that and stuff survive.

Why not say carbs and hood scoops are fine? And EFI and hood scoops are fine? Or EFI and no hood scoop? Or carbs and no scoop? And let other manufacturers of EFI compete in PS? And let the best system rule the day?

Because it wasn’t profitable for NHRA. And that’s the bottom line. What a shame and a sham.

Again, this isn’t news or even new to anyone who has followed NHRA for very long. We could discuss pilfering sponsors from the teams, but would it matter? We could discuss “no compete” clauses in advertising contracts, but would it matter?

When NHRA lost tobacco money even Ray Charles could see the breach in the wall. Then the beer money dried up and that was a gut punch. It’s apparent that NHRA has no forward look.

Let’s not forget that when Coca Cola didn’t renew its NHRA sponsorship (Mellow Yellow was the brand) NHRA had to scramble to put together the weak assed package they now have with Camping World. How much lower down the advertising food chain can NHRA go before they capsize?

The TV package is absolutely horrible. Way too much bullshit for the number of passes we see. Why not skip all that talking and show some of the lower classes??? It would allow those guys to get more sponsorship dollars because of the added exposure. Yeah, that ain’t happening.

This is only the tip of the ice berg. The best hope is NHRA just goes away so something can fill the void. It’s near impossible now because NHRA has a strangle hold through various mechanisms. And they work.

That’s what’s wrong with NHRA in a nutshell, and I’m not the only one who sees it, or says anything about it.
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yellow rose said:
It’s not just that. They aren’t moving to get out of California, or they would have done the move 20 years ago. Like when California was dicking with the racers because of bridge laws or some ****, so every big team with a semi was stopped at the border and screwed with.
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that has nothing to do with NHRA.... that was CA enforcing their “length laws”. The very reason some folks I know in NV found that if they leave at night to go to divisionals they “fly under the radar” so to speak :)
 
A body said:
that has nothing to do with NHRA.... that was CA enforcing their “length laws”. The very reason some folks I know in NV found that if they leave at night to go to divisionals they “fly under the radar” so to speak :)
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Right, bridge laws or length laws. The funny thing was California didn’t start enforcing that law until right before the Winter nationals. And screwed the racers. Right there they should have packed up and left.


But there is the myth that since California is the “birthplace” of hot rod ding it’s sacred. It’s not. They should have left long ago, moved the museum with them and dumped the Winter nationals and the World Finals somewhere else.
 
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