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Demonx2

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So I took the 72 Demon out for its first time on Saturday just for TestnTune. 408 engine, mild ported Eddy's, Bullett 251/256 @ 50 cam SFT cam, 10.5CR, Super Victor w/ 850 DP, Hooker Super Comp's. 8" ATI Treemaster TC (4800 stall), 4.56 axle with a spool (8.75"). Too much axle but that's what the car had in it when I bought it as a roller. Car weight is still a mystery - have to find a scale. It's been 28 years since I was on the track and I just finished putting this latest car together and was anxious to see what we have to work with.

Went to Lapeer Dragway to give it a try. Lapeer does a nice job with the starting line but the track is VERY narrow with barriers up close the length of the track. That shouldn't be a problem as you're supposed to be going straight down the track, right?

Well, this car decided that a hard left turn leaving the lights was the thing to do. So between my newness with the car, the launch and left turn, grabbing the Cheetah shifter at the wrong time....things didn't go so well. I couldn't even tell you what RPM I shifted it at as I was trying to keep from putting red paint on the wall and then when I did correct it, I probably overcorrected it and got the car weaving and simply lifted. I had to do this for every run! Sometimes I even unintentionally grabbed 2nd right after the launch! I just had to laugh at myself how poorly I handled the shifting! (Maybe I should sit in the car in the garage and practice hitting the shifter!!) I did play with tire pressure (went up and down) and even swapped the slicks side to side. Swapping them may have helped a tad on the left turn but not totally sure.

So between the car not doing the right thing and my total incompetence, we didn't have the day we planned! No total passes all day. But let's focus on the things that went right:
1. The car came back in 1 piece!
2. No leaks developed and the cooling system actually kept the engine right around 160F
3. Trans hit about 180F max going down the track but was back to close to 150F by the time I got back to the pits (kept the trans cooler fan running).
4. The 2 best 60' times were 1.57 and 1.58 (unsure if I stayed in these all the way to 60' or if I had pulled the 1-2 shift early). Both were at about 12.5#'s of air in the slicks. Didn't try anything lower but will next time.
5. Car hooked well without spinning. (28/10.5 -15W slicks)

So this car is massively different than the car I raced way back in my past. That was my 69 Charger - full street car with a mild 440 that ran mid-12's and was very consistent. Car left and went where it was pointed, never any violence, just an easy car to drive. I call it the stately grandpa car - just a big and fun and easy bracket car (still sitting in my garage the way it was parked after a class win in 1993). The OPPOSITE of this car! This one is rambunctious, obnoxious, and much louder than the Charger's bigger engine (that one had the old DC 292/509 hyd cam). Of course, I got what I asked for as this car was built to be a 70's retro-looking build and I think it came off as such.

So where do we go from here? Well, we'll be pulling apart the Cal-Trac's this week to be sure they're lubed up and free moving and putting some preload on that left side to try and get it not to pull left. A shift light is also ordered as it's apparent that for this old cowboy, even at this power/launch level, I'll need that light to tell me when to shift rather than trying to watch the tach to hit the shifter. Seems to need the 1-2 shift mighty soon after the launch! Probably better also find a way to get a 4.10 into it as well as if I get it sorted out and can make a full pass, I'll be beyond any RPM where any power is made.

I'd rather be posting some great results but it is what it is. I think this pass posted ran an 11.80 at about 102 as I had lifted.

 
Think that’s even narrower than Irwindale! Couldn’t tell the severity of the pull on launch in the vid. Good you kept the paint where it belongs!
 
First... I know nothing about setting up a drag car.

The front lifted, I wonder if that changed the geometry enough to turn left.

I thought cars always tended to turn right on hard acceleration.

Again what do I know!
 
Glad you didn't hit anything. You'll get there.
 
I watched the video a couple times. The front was fully extended b/4 the car even moved on your throttle hit. Tried to focus on the tire ,but video was not clear enough. Very nice looking car. Consider the day a learning tool.
 
#1. Car came home in 1 piece, that's a win! Honestly, not a bad day (I've seen much worse).

For the Caltracs, this is what my car likes:

Bottom hole, 1 flat preload driver side, 2 flats preload passenger side.
Front shocks 90/10, Rear shocks set on 6 (Ranch 9-way adjustable).

Note, these settings are with the drivers weight in the driver seat....I did this by having my wife sit in the driver seat, on top of my tool box, lol.

For that size slick (assuming your car is about 3200-3300#'s), 12.5 psi is probably about right.
 
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I had to fun 15-16 lbs of air in my 28x9x15 slicks. 74 duster 3300 lbs with driver. I almost smacked the wall the first couple of times. Kim
 
What front shocks are you running and what are they set at?
Seems to me its way too tight, very little extension.
Shocks almost seem too short or something, its just kinda skating at the hit.
What shocks to you have on those caltrac bars in the back?
 
#1. Car came home in 1 piece, that's a win! Honestly, not a bad day (I've seen much worse).

For the Caltracs, this is what my car likes:

Bottom hole, 1 flat preload driver side, 2 flats preload passenger side.
Front shocks 90/10, Rear shocks set on 6 (Ranch 9-way adjustable).

Note, these settings are with the drivers weight in the driver seat....I did this by having my wife sit in the driver seat, on top of my tool box, lol.

For that size slick (assuming your car is about 3200-3300#'s, 12.5 psi is probably about right.
Thx for that detail. If I recall, you have a much faster car than this one. Ironically, looks like we have the same shocks and settings but I need to reconfirm. And my best guess is about 3300#'s for the weight with me in it. Also, back in the day, my Charger liked 12.5 psi in the same size slick (same size but not a "W" designation).
On the CalTracs, I had not changed any of the setup from when the PO also ran a bit stouter of a 408 in the car and ran 10.80's. So I'll dig into the setup and see what I have. I do know the lower front hole is being used. And I don't see any daylight/gap as far as preload goes. Who knows...maybe I'll find the setup already to be similar to yours! But I'll sure take a stab at your stuff depending on what I find. And good idea to do it with weight in the driver's seat. I don't think my wife would sit there long enough for me to fumble around underneath (she once fell asleep at the wheel helping me bleed brakes!!). But I can weight it up with other things.
My starting line ratio is a bit on the high side...about 11.2. So coupled with where this engine's power peak is (~5700 RPM), I need a bit less axle hence my plan to go to a 4.10. Gotta take advantage of these 408 engine's big torque curves!! Thx for the input!
 
I really didn’t see that he car squiggle or slide around at the start.
 
I had my Fox body out Friday night . Did three passes, missed third gear on my last pass oh well..the wife was like "you went slower that time? I said "..missed third, this is why guys dont run stick shift in bracket racing:) Anyways its fun and a learning experience and like said car came home in one peice.
 
A stick is a little harder at the track. It is my normal weapon of choice for everything. I should add an “*” to that since I lack track experience. I know it is or can be brutal on the drive train. There is just to much fun with it on the shifting gears.
 
A stick is a little harder at the track. It is my normal weapon of choice for everything. I should add an “*” to that since I lack track experience. I know it is or can be brutal on the drive train. There is just to much fun with it on the shifting gears.
yes there was something going through my head, I was going to launch get through second, into third then count in my head "one two three...",and bang fourth and floor it. Somehow I think I got my timing off between my clutch foot and the shift, OR I just plain missed it and got hung up in the shift gate. I dunno it was my last pass, and I messed it up oh well there's always next time... I think I went through the trap at like 60 MPH I just got out of it after I missed the shift and cruised to the finish line.
 
I really didn’t see that he car squiggle or slide around at the start.
The one I posted was the straightest of the bunch. It got squirrely later...I suspect I over-corrected and caused that.
I didn't post the one where my wife (who was taking the videos on her phone) instinctively jumped back when the car launched and was heading straight at her! But it was launching to the left in both the left and right lanes. On one pass, buddy in RH lane with a much faster car than mine literally took a nap at the tree but told me afterward he saw my car out in front heading left and me then correct it and get out of it. I have to correct the 'lefties' and learn to drive!!
Funny...28 years ago stopped racing with a car people would try not to get next to in the staging lanes as they didn't want to run against it. It was too consistent and more than paid for itself and the racing. The last year we averaged 4-1/2 rounds in eliminations including several 1st round losses.
Now here I am with this car many years later and I'm a duck...much faster but a LOT to learn all over again!!
agree, when they start making stream it takes a lick or two to get used to having to drive it, unless you are used to it.
Maybe I need to bring it over to 131 and have you help train this bad driver!! I'm sure you could teach me a thing or two!! (And show me your car's taillights!!)
 
This issue is just a slight adjustment on your. AlTrac’s.
You’ll be pin straight soon enough.
 
Not ascetic or pretty (shift light) but very functional for me, shift light in front of my beak, line of sight to track, keeps my paint where it belongs! Man o man to make a first pass like that is already a win. No leaks, double win! No red paint on those narrow lanes, priceless! Sounds like a perfect day to me.

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The one I posted was the straightest of the bunch. It got squirrely later...I suspect I over-corrected and caused that.
I didn't post the one where my wife (who was taking the videos on her phone) instinctively jumped back when the car launched and was heading straight at her! But it was launching to the left in both the left and right lanes. On one pass, buddy in RH lane with a much faster car than mine literally took a nap at the tree but told me afterward he saw my car out in front heading left and me then correct it and get out of it. I have to correct the 'lefties' and learn to drive!!
Funny...28 years ago stopped racing with a car people would try not to get next to in the staging lanes as they didn't want to run against it. It was too consistent and more than paid for itself and the racing. The last year we averaged 4-1/2 rounds in eliminations including several 1st round losses.
Now here I am with this car many years later and I'm a duck...much faster but a LOT to learn all over again!!

Maybe I need to bring it over to 131 and have you help train this bad driver!! I'm sure you could teach me a thing or two!! (And show me your car's taillights!!)

i don't know about any of that...lol
But bringing it over to 131 is a good idea from the standpoint of its an elite racing surface..wide, all concrete, smooth, safe, and huge shutdown.... much better option to sort a car out than Lapeer is, for sure.
As you get more comfy driving it, the car will become much easier to get from A to B
Btw... i shift mine by ear, and still get it to run the number, no way i can shift it by the tach...and i have been meaning to get a shift light..but haven't yet.
Its kinda old school, but I am pretty positive i shift it pretty identically each lap. Cars really talk to you if you listen...lol... but i do need to buy a shift light!
 
Not ascetic or pretty (shift light) but very functional for me, shift light in front of my beak, line of sight to track, keeps my paint where it belongs! Man o man to make a first pass like that is already a win. No leaks, double win! No red paint on those narrow lanes, priceless! Sounds like a perfect day to me.

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Dam, with all those switches ur car must almost drive itself. Lol. Kim
 
Sometimes it can be ergonomics, maybe the seat is a little too far back? That can make you pull left on the hit, also make you more likely to pull 2nd early and then miss 3rd.

Grant
 
Not ascetic or pretty (shift light) but very functional for me, shift light in front of my beak, line of sight to track, keeps my paint where it belongs! Man o man to make a first pass like that is already a win. No leaks, double win! No red paint on those narrow lanes, priceless! Sounds like a perfect day to me.

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Thx for the pics/info. I need that shift light staring at my beak too!! I'm planning to put it on the steering column and if that isn't direct enough, then mount it with my tachometer which is up on top of the dash pad in the middle/left location.

i don't know about any of that...lol
But bringing it over to 131 is a good idea from the standpoint of its an elite racing surface..wide, all concrete, smooth, safe, and huge shutdown.... much better option to sort a car out than Lapeer is, for sure.
As you get more comfy driving it, the car will become much easier to get from A to B
Btw... i shift mine by ear, and still get it to run the number, no way i can shift it by the tach...and i have been meaning to get a shift light..but haven't yet.
Its kinda old school, but I am pretty positive i shift it pretty identically each lap. Cars really talk to you if you listen...lol... but i do need to buy a shift light!
We've all seen how repeatable your car is - the numbers speak for themselves!! Yep, I need training for sure. Gotta get my big paw from resting on top of that Cheetah shifter so I wait for the shift light! Old habits are hard to break.
 
Has the front end been rebuilt my old race car would do the same as what you are describing when ball joints went bad .... Nice car seat time is your friend
 
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