I agree. I have accomplished what I wanted. I know he’s seen the thread.
Am I justified in my frustration?
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When I’ve been really pissed and let go for the first time on someone, Ive noticed they can get really really defensive.
And then you end up with two really pissed off people.
Just my experience.
As I told him. Those prices are for useable parts. These parts are a rusted together pile of turds that won’t come apart. Big difference there, Steve
You are right. I’m not going to bring his name up right now and I may not at all. Probably won’t because I don’t have proof he makes a habit of selling junk. But, I do know how he has reacted to my concerns and it’s been condescending to say the least.
Acorns, Steve. Acorns and rat ****!
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I’m just bummed that two people that I’ve witnessed be very reasonable otherwise are having such an issue over this one thing.
Maybe I’ve got a dark pair of rose colored sunglasses on.
I’ve interacted with Go-Fish online over the years. But only in person briefly at this show and watched him interact with others some. ....Always seems like a reasonable guy
As for the seller... Well I could be mistaken as a piece of furniture at his house... I couldn’t put it into words.
Maybe I’ve got a dark pair of rose colored sunglasses on.
I’ve interacted with Go-Fish online over the years. But only in person briefly at this show and watched him interact with others some. ....Always seems like a reasonable guy
As for the seller... Well I could be mistaken as a piece of furniture at his house... I couldn’t put it into words.
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As the title implies, I don't know where I should stand on the issue. I know one thing, I'm mad.
I am mad at myself for not doing more due diligence. I am mad at the seller for not, at first, hearing my concerns and being dismissive of how much of a pain in the *** pulling this rear apart has been. I don't think he thinks its a big deal and goes on to list prices of individual parts prices as if I could just yank those parts of this rearend and turn them the next day.
The title asks a question. It let's you know that I am torn. Is this my own fault? Is it the sellers fault that he used a very liberal definition of "rebuildable"? I do feel duped but I am grounded enough to know that I am ultimately to blame because I trusted.
I do appreciate the seller, in a way, admitting that he misrepresented the part by giving me the $100. It's less than I think is fair but if he felt there was absolutely NO problem with the part then he could have told me to pack sand.
In the end I think he knows he misrepresented the part. He knows what he did. This rear was opened out in the elements for a very long time and he just threw an axle in it and sold it.
It would have been great if he would have said, " Before you buy this I want you to know it was sitting out, opened to the elements for a long time. It might have some issues." NOT "It's a good rebuildable core." I probably would have bought it anyway but I would have not been butt hurt when I found acorns and rat **** and can't get an axle loose after very much work.
I'm not going to all of a sudden think this guy is top notch but I do know I can't call out his name in public because I do hope this is a case of two guys butting heads over one part, as @autoxcuda says.
Sorry, @oldkimmer . I know you were hoping for the name. I just don't have it in me to go that far.
I am mad at myself for not doing more due diligence. I am mad at the seller for not, at first, hearing my concerns and being dismissive of how much of a pain in the *** pulling this rear apart has been. I don't think he thinks its a big deal and goes on to list prices of individual parts prices as if I could just yank those parts of this rearend and turn them the next day.
The title asks a question. It let's you know that I am torn. Is this my own fault? Is it the sellers fault that he used a very liberal definition of "rebuildable"? I do feel duped but I am grounded enough to know that I am ultimately to blame because I trusted.
I do appreciate the seller, in a way, admitting that he misrepresented the part by giving me the $100. It's less than I think is fair but if he felt there was absolutely NO problem with the part then he could have told me to pack sand.
In the end I think he knows he misrepresented the part. He knows what he did. This rear was opened out in the elements for a very long time and he just threw an axle in it and sold it.
It would have been great if he would have said, " Before you buy this I want you to know it was sitting out, opened to the elements for a long time. It might have some issues." NOT "It's a good rebuildable core." I probably would have bought it anyway but I would have not been butt hurt when I found acorns and rat **** and can't get an axle loose after very much work.
I'm not going to all of a sudden think this guy is top notch but I do know I can't call out his name in public because I do hope this is a case of two guys butting heads over one part, as @autoxcuda says.
Sorry, @oldkimmer . I know you were hoping for the name. I just don't have it in me to go that far.
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Wow?……Really?…. I thought this was over with? Now you go on a public form and cry some more?? You are truly a class act.
Not one to hide behind an alias my name is Troy Bray. I have sold Mopar performance parts for over 20 years. I have sponsored many Stock and Super Stock race cars including a world champion. I have restored numerous show winning cars including 1970 Challenger T/A, A12 Road Runner, 1968 Super Stock Hemi Dart clone and my latest is 1968 Super Stock Hemi Barracuda clone. I am telling you all this because to me integrity is everything. Honesty and reputation or everything. Without it you’re nothing.
I would like to share my experience with Mr. John Carter AKA “Go Fish” so hopefully nobody else has to go through the same experience that I did.
I purchased a stash of parts from a good friend of mine. In this allotment of parts was this differential. I had no back story on it. I did know that the pinion was stuck but I did not know why it was stuck. One of the axles was out of it so I slid in the axle and tapped it into place. Went in a little hard but I did not have to slam it into place.
I attended the Inland Mopar show two weeks ago (by the way, a very good show, good job guys!) to sell some misc parts. One item in particular was a B body 8 3/4” rear end. This assembly included Housing, 489 third member, Pinion snubber, 10” backing plates and axles. I priced it at $350. On the price tag I wrote “ rebuildable core”. John came up to me early in the morning and said “ I’ll take it” While I was collecting the money I verbally told him it was a “REBUILDABLE CORE” and he acknowledged me and understood what I said. He never looked closely at it, never tried to spin the axles or pinion….nothing, just walked away. At the end of the day the differential was still in my spot so I took it over to his swap spot and left it for him.
A few days later John gets in touch with Steve Wall complaining to him that the differential is junk and can’t believe that a CPW member (Chrysler performance west car club) member was selling “junk parts”. After a few more days Steve forwards me the emails that John sent him asking me to get in touch with John and see what I can do…..so I did. I introduced myself. Myself, not knowing his automotive knowledge I explained to him the process in removing stuck axles and sent him a picture of the correct slid hammer to use. He explained to me that he tried all that and it still would not budge. A day later in an Email he said he got one of the axles out but the other axle is still stuck. He found a lot of debris inside the housing….like a mouse had made a home inside the tube. In the pictures he sent me I saw no rust, no metal chips, no ring gear teeth…..nothing but grass, seeds and mouse poop. He started telling me that “I have no integrity and I should refund him $250”
I explained and reminded him that he purchased a complete rear ended for $350 and it needed to be rebuilt. Never did I say it was a “functioning“ diff that needs to be cleaned up…..I said rebuildable core.
After 16 emails back and forth…. Listening to him insult me, questioning my integrity and insulting the car club that I have helped run for 35 years, I offered him $100.00 refund. I told him that if you except this refund then this case is closed. He took the refund and agreed the case is closed AND NOW I see that he is on a public forum crying to everybody.
Just to finalize the situation John paid $250 for the following.
B body 8 3/4” housing.
Pinion snubber
Two 10” backing plates
489 case
Two axles
All of this for $250 and he is still not happy….wow.
That is everything, I have nothing to hide.
Troy
Not one to hide behind an alias my name is Troy Bray. I have sold Mopar performance parts for over 20 years. I have sponsored many Stock and Super Stock race cars including a world champion. I have restored numerous show winning cars including 1970 Challenger T/A, A12 Road Runner, 1968 Super Stock Hemi Dart clone and my latest is 1968 Super Stock Hemi Barracuda clone. I am telling you all this because to me integrity is everything. Honesty and reputation or everything. Without it you’re nothing.
I would like to share my experience with Mr. John Carter AKA “Go Fish” so hopefully nobody else has to go through the same experience that I did.
I purchased a stash of parts from a good friend of mine. In this allotment of parts was this differential. I had no back story on it. I did know that the pinion was stuck but I did not know why it was stuck. One of the axles was out of it so I slid in the axle and tapped it into place. Went in a little hard but I did not have to slam it into place.
I attended the Inland Mopar show two weeks ago (by the way, a very good show, good job guys!) to sell some misc parts. One item in particular was a B body 8 3/4” rear end. This assembly included Housing, 489 third member, Pinion snubber, 10” backing plates and axles. I priced it at $350. On the price tag I wrote “ rebuildable core”. John came up to me early in the morning and said “ I’ll take it” While I was collecting the money I verbally told him it was a “REBUILDABLE CORE” and he acknowledged me and understood what I said. He never looked closely at it, never tried to spin the axles or pinion….nothing, just walked away. At the end of the day the differential was still in my spot so I took it over to his swap spot and left it for him.
A few days later John gets in touch with Steve Wall complaining to him that the differential is junk and can’t believe that a CPW member (Chrysler performance west car club) member was selling “junk parts”. After a few more days Steve forwards me the emails that John sent him asking me to get in touch with John and see what I can do…..so I did. I introduced myself. Myself, not knowing his automotive knowledge I explained to him the process in removing stuck axles and sent him a picture of the correct slid hammer to use. He explained to me that he tried all that and it still would not budge. A day later in an Email he said he got one of the axles out but the other axle is still stuck. He found a lot of debris inside the housing….like a mouse had made a home inside the tube. In the pictures he sent me I saw no rust, no metal chips, no ring gear teeth…..nothing but grass, seeds and mouse poop. He started telling me that “I have no integrity and I should refund him $250”
I explained and reminded him that he purchased a complete rear ended for $350 and it needed to be rebuilt. Never did I say it was a “functioning“ diff that needs to be cleaned up…..I said rebuildable core.
After 16 emails back and forth…. Listening to him insult me, questioning my integrity and insulting the car club that I have helped run for 35 years, I offered him $100.00 refund. I told him that if you except this refund then this case is closed. He took the refund and agreed the case is closed AND NOW I see that he is on a public forum crying to everybody.
Just to finalize the situation John paid $250 for the following.
B body 8 3/4” housing.
Pinion snubber
Two 10” backing plates
489 case
Two axles
All of this for $250 and he is still not happy….wow.
That is everything, I have nothing to hide.
Troy
Well, I guess I didn't have to call you out. You outed yourself. Good!
I've got to correct a few things here. Troy, you can't just wrap something in quotes and make it fact. I never insulted your integrity. I reminded you that reputation and integrity can be lost in an instant and was hoping you could work with me on this. Stating that integrity can be lost isn't saying you don't have integrity.
I never once told you that CPW is a bad club nor said that the Club was selling junk parts. Steve mentioned to me and I understood that this was not a me/Club sale. THis was between you and I.
Thirdly, The rearend was $350 and not $250. See, in your head you are stuck on trying to make me feel like I got a good deal. Like I could really just part this thing out tomorrow and make all my money back. Yeah friggin right! It won't even come apart and if you cant see the damn pinion gear in the very first pic I attached, then later on in response to Rusty, and tell that it is rusted beyond use you are just ________. You think the ring gear is beautiful after seeing how pitted the gear lands are on the pinion?
Lastly, I started this thread before you tried to tell me to "drop it" if you gave me $100.I was thinking you did have some integrity because you gave me SOME money back but, now, it's confirmed, you were giving me the money to shut up about it not because you had some understanding. I never said you were obligated and I would, at least, like money for a ring and pinion. In my definition of a rebuildable core it's wear items that need to be replaced. A ring and pinion should be reusable.
I don't give a flying rat turd about your resume because your resume with me spells A-S-S-H-O-L-E, Jack!
I don't think this qualifies you as a stand up guy. Doing T/A's, A12's, and S/S Darts doesn't make you **** if you misrepresent $350 rearends.
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Now, I have nothing left to say. This thread has been the sunshine that brought light to the problem in the equation.
There you go, @oldkimmer
There you go, @oldkimmer
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Damn and the popcorn just went ding.
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“ I want $250 back due to how much of a pain in the *** this is” Those are your words at 6.49 AM 6/3
“ You would be a stand up guy if you refunded me $250” Your words again….you think that diff is only worth $100? What world do you live in?
“I think this is a legitimate request” …This was my favorite.
“ You would be a stand up guy if you refunded me $250” Your words again….you think that diff is only worth $100? What world do you live in?
“I think this is a legitimate request” …This was my favorite.
Troy, thanks for coming onboard and telling your side of the story. You do seem to be a stand up guy. Now the only thing I have to offer is that you should of mentioned it was seized up. Sure he should of checked it over some but he didn’t. I would of mentioned it if I was selling it. To me a rebuildable core would of just needed bearings and seals plus brakes. Everyone has their own definition of a core. Kim
The full paragraph.....
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You then listed how much GOOD clean USEABLE 8.75" parts cost and refused to help at all. (As if I could just part this piece of rusted hulk out tomorrow and make a killing! Ohhhh, I should be thankful!)
Then in my next email.....
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****, this is better than Mannix.
I won't lie. I had to google that. LOL.
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Hi Kim and thanks.
Believe me if I had to do it over again I would of done things differently. I said that I knew the pinion was stuck but looking at the overall condition I did not believe this was a major issue.
When a repair shop or a dealer buys a rebuilt differential it always comes with new bearings, clutches and gears. They never reused the old gears, they always replace them. When I have my own diffs rebuilt they always use new gears because they do not know if the original gears howl or not.
Yeah right!
You’re not spinning this like that. From the get go you have been trying to make me feel like I should be appreciative to you for selling me such valuable parts. Then you try to get me to shut up about you misrepresenting this rearend. For $100?
Troy, I got more than that in labor and only one axle is free. I’m going to go get a gallon of PB Blaster for $25. I’ve already got a $25 can of WD in it.
If this is such a great rebuildable core why does it take that much effort and I’ve only got one axle free?
There is something in you that just can’t admit that you sold junk. Your answer is to say “Take $100 and shut up” ???
I would be happy if you were just willing to eat a little crow and say, to me, you wish you had done things differently.
You have no humility and you are full of yourself. You spout off the cars you’ve sponsored and restored like that makes you something. Well, Troy, I’m just a regular ******* guy. That’s who I really am.
I guess regular guys don’t get the disclaimer when they buy a junk *** rusted up part. I asked if it was good and you said something that made me feel good about it but it wasn’t the truth.
“Good rebuildable core”
You could have replied with a fair statement. A good estimation of its condition but instead ignored some details like it sitting in the elements opened up to rain and mice.
Thank you for the $100 though and for selling me these high quality parts that are obviously worth hundreds of dollars more than I paid for them.
Speakin of farts and butts......is your avatar of somebody scratchin their butt?
Yeah. That was an ad on here for something. I just thought it was funny because I don’t have monkey but but it was an ad. Now I’m getting Marrie Osmand weight loss ads.
What ads you getting?
edit- Just changed it to my old one. The butt scratcher’s played out. LOL
What ads you getting?
edit- Just changed it to my old one. The butt scratcher’s played out. LOL
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I just read about the whole **** show going on here.
As I understand it, the initial price paid was $350 and the amount refunded was $100.
That leaves $250 paid for the assembly.
My definition of a core is an assembly that is intact that needs all wear related items replaced.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Who gives a **** about mice **** and seeds etc? It all needs a thorough cleaning anyway.
The rust and it being stuck together would be my only concern.
Find someone that has a vertical press, and get them to press out the axle.
Then disassemble the third member out of the housing and see what you are left with.
The parts left should be the main housing, the bare chunk of the 489 case, backing plates, and maybe the axles.
Everything else including the bearings, gears, seals, and the other WEAR items need to be cleaned and replaced.
So, pop it apart and see what you got and then banter about condition.
Until then, $250 is still a decent price for what was sold.
On a final note, these parts are 50 years old and if you don't check out the condition before you lay down your money, you have no place to *****.
This is precisely why I rarely sell parts, because people generally want new condition for cheap.
Rant over.
Work it out amongst yourselves.............
As I understand it, the initial price paid was $350 and the amount refunded was $100.
That leaves $250 paid for the assembly.
My definition of a core is an assembly that is intact that needs all wear related items replaced.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Who gives a **** about mice **** and seeds etc? It all needs a thorough cleaning anyway.
The rust and it being stuck together would be my only concern.
Find someone that has a vertical press, and get them to press out the axle.
Then disassemble the third member out of the housing and see what you are left with.
The parts left should be the main housing, the bare chunk of the 489 case, backing plates, and maybe the axles.
Everything else including the bearings, gears, seals, and the other WEAR items need to be cleaned and replaced.
So, pop it apart and see what you got and then banter about condition.
Until then, $250 is still a decent price for what was sold.
On a final note, these parts are 50 years old and if you don't check out the condition before you lay down your money, you have no place to *****.
This is precisely why I rarely sell parts, because people generally want new condition for cheap.
Rant over.
Work it out amongst yourselves.............
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