Please help - need 360 alternator/PS pump bracketing pics

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Does anyone have or could take a picture(s) of a stock 360 LA alternator bracket setup? The car ('72 Duster, originally a slant 6) does not have A/C, but does have power steering. My phone crashed and lost all of the pre-disassembly pics I took. I’m trying to work out how it all goes back together before I start sealing timing cover and water pump gaskets. Google basically shows me aftermarket bracketing which is no help. Below is how it looks on the bench. It is the triangle bracket that has me a little stumped because the holes line up several ways. I could also really use some pics of the power steering pump bracketing. I'm installing a new Saginaw pump and the pic included with the part doesn't show how it interfaces with the timing cover. Thanks!!
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Does anyone have or could take a picture(s) of a stock 360 LA alternator bracket setup? My phone crashed and lost all of the pre-disassembly pics I took. I’m trying to work out how it all goes back together before I start sealing timing cover and water pump gaskets. Google basically shows me aftermarket bracketing which is no help. Below is how it looks on the bench. It is the triangle bracket that has me a little stumped because the holes line up several ways. I could also really use some pics of the power steering pump bracketing. I'm installing a new Saginaw pump and the pic included with the part doesn't show how it interfaces with the timing cover. Thanks!!
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The alternator bracket looks like the one for A/C, the non A/C set up is different...

My son's car is non A/C, so I can't show you how the alt brackets go for that set-up...
 
Does anyone have or could take a picture(s) of a stock 360 LA alternator bracket setup? My phone crashed and lost all of the pre-disassembly pics I took. I’m trying to work out how it all goes back together before I start sealing timing cover and water pump gaskets. Google basically shows me aftermarket bracketing which is no help. Below is how it looks on the bench. It is the triangle bracket that has me a little stumped because the holes line up several ways. I could also really use some pics of the power steering pump bracketing. I'm installing a new Saginaw pump and the pic included with the part doesn't show how it interfaces with the timing cover. Thanks!!
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Will this help? Saganaw brackets on Magnum 360.
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The alternator bracket looks like the one for A/C, the non A/C set up is different...

My son's car is non A/C, so I can't show you how the alt brackets go for that set-up...
So this car doesn't have A/C, but I can't say the bracketing came on the car to me the way it is supposed to be. I took a ton of pics before I took it apart because I knew it would be a puzzle going back together and my phone lost 'em all. If you have non A/C pics, that would be awesome. Thanks.
 
Did a dry fit to try to work it out for myself. Don’t remember the ‘extra’ hole at the bottom of the triangle bracket, but this is the only way it goes together that makes sense.
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Did a dry fit to try to work it out for myself. Don’t remember the ‘extra’ hole at the bottom of the triangle bracket, but this is the only way it goes together that makes sense.
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Have a look at the schematic you posted for the saginaw pump post # 1.

That triangular bracket is for the power steering pump, not the alternator . The triangular bracket for the alternator has two holes that are used to attach the bracket to the water pump. The Alternator attaches to the other hole in the bracket.

I think you are confusing the two triangular brackets.
 
Have a look at the schematic you posted for the saginaw pump post # 1.

That triangular bracket is for the power steering pump, not the alternator . The triangular bracket for the alternator has two holes that are used to attach the bracket to the water pump. The Alternator attaches to the other hole in the bracket.

I think you are confusing the two triangular brackets.
I see why you would say that but nope that's not it. The (now blue) triangle bracket in the pic above of the dry fit mock up was original to the car (at least as it came to me) and was part of the alternator bracketing. Yes, there is a new bracket that is identical to it that came with the PS bracket kit. It must be a universal type bracket that is used for various applications. That would explain the 'extra' hole. Thanks though.
 
Did a dry fit to try to work it out for myself. Don’t remember the ‘extra’ hole at the bottom of the triangle bracket, but this is the only way it goes together that makes sense.
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That's not right... The triangular bracket has two of the long water pump bolts going through it...
 
Just found this.

Here's what my alternator brackets look like. Purchased from Bouchillon.


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As you can see, the triangular piece is different than the one you are using. The two holes to the far left in the pic are lined up with the water pump, the other is used for the alternator.
 
The (now blue) triangle bracket in the pic above of the dry fit mock up was original to the car (at least as it came to me)

Doesn't mean it is correct


Did a dry fit to try to work it out for myself. Don’t remember the ‘extra’ hole at the bottom of the triangle bracket, but this is the only way it goes together that makes sense.
just my gut here...

IF the triangular bracket IS the alternator bracket and not for the PS then 2 of the holes would be bolted to the WP bolts, and the alternator would be moved forward so the front ear is in front of the top hole of the triangular bracket. the photos below are from 67 273 with cast iron WP BUT my bet is they did not change things all that much through the years.

(note: in this photo I had the adjusting bracket in the wrong location)
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(correct adjuster mounting)
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Doesn't mean it is correct



just my gut here...

IF the triangular bracket IS the alternator bracket and not for the PS then 2 of the holes would be bolted to the WP bolts, and the alternator would be moved forward so the front ear is in front of the top hole of the triangular bracket. the photos below are from 67 273 with cast iron WP BUT my bet is they did not change things all that much through the years.

(note: in this photo I had the adjusting bracket in the wrong location)
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(correct adjuster mounting)
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The pictures that you have posted are for mid to late 60's small block with the cast iron water pump...

The OP has the 70 and later small block with the aluminum water pump - the brackets are different.... They mount similarly, but the brackets are different... The triangular bracket for the 60's style alt bracket has the one extra bolt that goes into a hole in the cast iron pump that the aluminum pump doesn't have... The aluminum water pump uses the two long water pump bolts to attach to the engine...
 
Does anyone have or could take a picture(s) of a stock 360 LA alternator bracket setup? The car ('72 Duster, originally a slant 6) does not have A/C, but does have power steering. My phone crashed and lost all of the pre-disassembly pics I took. I’m trying to work out how it all goes back together before I start sealing timing cover and water pump gaskets. Google basically shows me aftermarket bracketing which is no help. Below is how it looks on the bench. It is the triangle bracket that has me a little stumped because the holes line up several ways. I could also really use some pics of the power steering pump bracketing. I'm installing a new Saginaw pump and the pic included with the part doesn't show how it interfaces with the timing cover. Thanks!!
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Here's the non-A/C mounting brackets for the aluminum water pump....

The triangular bracket goes in the two long mounting bolts for the water pump and the curved bracket goes on top of the bottom of the triangle bracket...

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The large triangular bracket in your first post is for the p/s pump mounting... It mounts in the bottom long bolt for the water pump, and the first shorter (Left side) bottom bolt for the water pump... We lost the long spacer that the p/s pump mounts to, so we used chrome spacers to fill the gap....

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With this set-up all of the belts line up perfectly...
 
Doesn't mean it is correct



just my gut here...

IF the triangular bracket IS the alternator bracket and not for the PS then 2 of the holes would be bolted to the WP bolts, and the alternator would be moved forward so the front ear is in front of the top hole of the triangular bracket. the photos below are from 67 273 with cast iron WP BUT my bet is they did not change things all that much through the years.

(note: in this photo I had the adjusting bracket in the wrong location)
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(correct adjuster mounting)
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What you are saying makes sense and doesn't necessarily contradict anything I've posted already. The things I know for sure are that the triangle bracket is/was a part of the alternator bracketing as the car came to me (granted may not have been correct), and (while I agree) that two of the holes should interface with the water pump, there is no way that can happen. The holes are not spaced in a way that two of them could bolt to the WP. I have to decide if I'm going to put it back together the way it was, or try to find the correct alternator bracketing. Thanks for the input and pics.
 
Here are the correct non-A/C alternator brackets:

Mancini Racing - Alternator Mounting Kit

5251 alternator brackets - Bouchillon Performance Engineering



Here's the correct dual groove crankshaft pulley:

Crankshaft Pulley with Power Steering w/o AC

BPE Double-Groove Crankshaft Pulley - Bouchillon Performance Engineering



Here's the correct water pump pulley:

Water Pump Pulley w/o AC

BPE Water Pump Pulley - Bouchillon Performance Engineering


If you use these brackets and pulleys for the aluminum water pump with no a/c, then the belts will line up perfectly... If you don't, no guarantees....
 
What you are saying makes sense and doesn't necessarily contradict anything I've posted already. The things I know for sure are that the triangle bracket is/was a part of the alternator bracketing as the car came to me (granted may not have been correct), and (while I agree) that two of the holes should interface with the water pump, there is no way that can happen. The holes are not spaced in a way that two of them could bolt to the WP. I have to decide if I'm going to put it back together the way it was, or try to find the correct alternator bracketing. Thanks for the input and pics.


The triangular bracket in your first picture is for the power steering pump.... It goes in the long bottom bolt for the water pump, and the next lower shorter bolt for the water pump on the bottom driver's side of the water pump... Look closely at the pictures that I posted....
 
Here's the non-A/C mounting brackets for the aluminum water pump....

The triangular bracket goes in the two long mounting bolts for the water pump and the curved bracket goes on top of the bottom of the triangle bracket...

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The large triangular bracket in your first post is for the p/s pump mounting... It mounts in the bottom long bolt for the water pump, and the first shorter (Left side) bottom bolt for the water pump... We lost the long spacer that the p/s pump mounts to, so we used chrome spacers to fill the gap....

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With this set-up all of the belts line up perfectly...
Thank you for all of the helpful pics. Based on this reply and the last couple before it, I am coming to the conclusion that the person who had the car before me probably mixed up some of the alternator and PS bracketing when they installed the PS pump and/or the new engine (it was originally a slant 6). They also brutally hacked a piece of of the K member to make room for the pump lines. Jebus, why people do what they do and then leave it for the next guy to sort out lol. Which is what I will try to do now...
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Just a word of caution, you don't want to use too long of bolts to mount this power steering bracket to the lower timing cover bolt holes.

These bolt holes line up with the #1 cylinder bore and have heard horror stories of people punching a hole into the #1 cylinder bore by using too long of bolts and excessive force trying to tighten them up as they are still sticking out yet.

They can bottom out against the cylinder water jacket wall and cause damage.

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The pictures that you have posted are for mid to late 60's small block with the cast iron water pump...

The OP has the 70 and later small block with the aluminum water pump - the brackets are different.... They mount similarly, but the brackets are different... The triangular bracket for the 60's style alt bracket has the one extra bolt that goes into a hole in the cast iron pump that the aluminum pump doesn't have... The aluminum water pump uses the two long water pump bolts to attach to the engine...

Completely agree, I was only posting as they are probably, and as the photos in post 17 shows, are VERY similar as compared to the PS pump triangular bracket the OP was trying to use.

I think post 17 and 19 puts the hail in the coffin!
 
Here's the non-A/C mounting brackets for the aluminum water pump....

The triangular bracket goes in the two long mounting bolts for the water pump and the curved bracket goes on top of the bottom of the triangle bracket...

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The large triangular bracket in your first post is for the p/s pump mounting... It mounts in the bottom long bolt for the water pump, and the first shorter (Left side) bottom bolt for the water pump... We lost the long spacer that the p/s pump mounts to, so we used chrome spacers to fill the gap....

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With this set-up all of the belts line up perfectly...



BTW, Is this a Federal Power steering reservoir? Just curious , are the brackets the same as for the Saginaw reservoir??
 
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