TF's on a 318 ???? Oops, another 318 thread...

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I would love to see it. AND, I have no doubt you'd achieve it. Especially if you had the converter/gear behind it needed.
I have just such a perfect test mule in the back corner of the shop, 70 duster ex bracket car, Dana 60, liberty pro shifted a833 4 speed and a mcloud soft lock clutch....hmmmmmmmmmm
 
I just don’t understand all the interest. Never have never will when there are way better options at almost the same cost.
 
I just don’t understand all the interest. Never have never will when there are way better options at almost the same cost.
I agree, pretty much word for word. I guess in my particular case, I like a challenge, and a legit 10 second 318 is not at all common.
 
I don't see where people see extra money, If you were to do a 10's 340/360/408/416 it probably trick flow solid roller single plane 850 cr good crank and rods what would a 318 need that's all that different? It's only 7% smaller than a 340 so it would only need to spin that much maybe 10% to makeup for the airflow loss by the bore.
It’s not as much air flow as you think it is though it is there as an issue, it’s just a lot smaller of an issue than you think it is. It’s really displacement. Or lack there off.

All this 318 conversation is seriously making me consider building a W2 318 combo and see if I can run 10s with it....what say you guys?

I double dog dare you!
Or at least beat me to the punch.
What you described is what I want to do for the challenge & chits and giggles for Austin Griggs 318 fest. No other reasons

I have a ‘67 - 318 engine, W2 heads and 3 different intakes for it. Currently working on the racing Duster.
 
It’s not as much air flow as you think it is though it is there as an issue, it’s just a lot smaller of an issue than you think it is. It’s really displacement. Or lack there off.



I double dog dare you!
Or at least beat me to the punch.
What you described is what I want to do for the challenge & chits and giggles for Austin Griggs 318 fest. No other reasons

I have a ‘67 - 318 engine, W2 heads and 3 different intakes for it. Currently working on the racing Duster.


Just curious about the displacement thing. Is there a linear progression when it comes to displacement/horsepower potential or is there a curve? Assuming everything else was the same between two engines, just for the sake of answering this question. I understand it's not reality.
 
There is a difference. I’m sorry to say you’ll have to search the net for these kinds of power curves. The answer is not simple to give since the verity of builds show many different curves. In an exact part for part minus the rotating assembly for the CID’s the torque advantage vs HP of one vs the other build is slight.

This is a one-z, two-z gain. Keep doing this across the build for a dedicate a short track engine, for torque, it adds up pretty good.
 
A 318 with trickflows and the right solid roller could surprise alot of people,at the level most of us are,the difference in torque betwen a 318 and a 340/360 could easily be adjusted for by adding more rear gear, most just dont have the balls to do so for a whole bunch of reasons.
Anyone notice how so many of us are stuck in the past and glorify a bunch of old highperf stuff from back in the day? that stuff performed thanks to 4.1-4.88 or so gears,running those gears where not a problem back then and isnt much of a problem now either if we just stop look at it as a problem,some might talk about the terrible fuelmilage with big gears,reality is that none of us are driving these cars enough for that to realy mather and certainly not outweighing the cost of strokercranks,fuelinjectionsystems and overdrivetransmissions some are running,come on a set of gears and a good converter is much cheaper than all that stuff.

Yeah i know there is a limit to how far this argument can be taken but most of us are nowhere near that limit.TFs on a 318 dont seem like a bad idea to me atleast.
 
Just curious about the displacement thing. Is there a linear progression when it comes to displacement/horsepower potential or is there a curve? Assuming everything else was the same between two engines, just for the sake of answering this question. I understand it's not reality.

It's easier to look at ford 289/302/351/400 or even chev 302/327/350 Since they all have the same bore and flow potainal so same heads on each will flow the same.
Quick little math trick with 4" bore V8 is the stroke is just basically displacement minus 2, so 302=3.00 327=3.25 ford 400 is actually a 402=4.00 etc..

Some will disagree with me on this is displacement doesn't make HP, But displacement of a NA engine is mainly how torque is produced, torque is basically a snap shot of one power stroke and hp is all those power strokes added up over time aka rpm. Why I say torque is basically one power stroke is soon as the crank moves were not talking about torque anymore but power, It's impossible to separate torque and rpm in a running engine. So it's easier to look at torque as one power stroke and why displacement is a large part of torque is more fuel air charge, greater the VE% of the displacement is gonna produce more pressure on pistons during combustion also you got cr and chamber design etc.. but those are like likely be same or similar between similar built engines especially when talking same family of engines. So displacement is king? yes/no it's actually bore is king especially if you don't care at what rpm your engine makes power. EG. say you got a 200 and 400 cid engine both making 1:1 torque:cid so the 400 has twice the torque but generally the 200 can spin twice as high if they got the same bore. So they will have the same power cause 400 will make 400 lbs ft in one revolution but the 200 will two revolutions in the same period of time so 200 lbs ft + 200 lbs ft = 400 lbs ft bascally so same hp, that's why engines hp numbers are more valuable they not only count for the torque but the rpm as well.

So if you did a Chev 302/327/350 with same heads cam cr etc.. the powerband should just move up in rpm and make similar hp, problem is even thought the top end is the same including bore, cam timing and runner length port size shapes etc.. will favor different rpm, bore stroke and rod ratios etc.. It's hard to impossible do apple to apple comparison when it comes to different displacements.

Now take 273/318/340/360 all have different bores as well as displacement, take 273/318/340 since they all have same stroke, they all have the same rpm ability with right top end, so the smaller ones won't be able to out rpm the larger to make up the displacement difference eg say there limit is 7250 rpm then 340 is gonna make the most power at 7250 rpm and 273 will make least at 7250 rpm but the 273 will need a lot less head flow to achieve it. Now 302/327/350 Chev all will have the same air flow capability cause of bore and parts, so stroke becomes limiting factor says the all have similar strength bottom end aka piston speed, says max piston speed 4000 fpm 302 hits 8000 rpm, a 327=7385 rpm, 350=6897 rpm, You will displace the same amount of fuel and air at those rpm 699 cfm for all 3 so all would or should have same potential of hp. But they all have different bore stroke rod ratios friction losses etc.. and how heads cam etc.. will work with the different displacements and ratios but theoretically they have the same potential.


The 302/327/350 in this all make basically the same hp but at different rpm but the two different ls engine didn't mix bag of outcome.



But saying all that if the average 340/360 guy makes 350-450 hp and you build a 475 hp 318 setup to take full advantage of it for a quarter mile that you will beat all them and even higher hp cars if there not setup right, this would be if similar weight.
 
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It's easier to look at ford 289/302/351/400 or even chev 302/327/350 Since they all have the same bore and flow potainal so same heads on each will flow the same.
Quick little math trick with 4" bore V8 is the stroke is just basically displacement minus 2, so 302=3.00 327=3.25 ford 400 is actually a 402=4.00 etc..

Some will disagree with me on this is displacement doesn't make HP, But displacement of a NA engine is mainly how torque is produced, torque is basically a snap shot of one power stroke and hp is all those power strokes added aka rpm. Why I say torque is basically one power stroke is soon as the crank moves were not talking about torque anymore but power, It's impossible to separate torque and rpm in a running engine. So it's easier to look at torque as one power stroke and why displacement is a large part of that is more fuel air charge, VE% of the displacement is gonna produce more pressure on pistons during combustion also you got cr and chamber design etc.. but those are like likely be same or similar between similar built engines especially when talking same family of engines. So displacement is king? yes/no it's actually bore is king especially if you don't care at what rpm your engine makes power. EG. say you got a 200 and 400 cid engine both making 1:1 torque:cid so the 400 has twice the torque but generally the 200 can spin twice as high if they got the same bore. So they will have the same power cause 400 will make 400 lbs ft in one revolution but the 200 will two revolutions in the same period of time so 200 lbs ft + 200 lbs ft = 400 lbs ft bascally so same hp, that's why engines hp numbers are more valuable they not only count for the torque but the rpm as well.

So if you did a Chev 302/327/350 with same heads cam cr etc.. the powerband should just move up in rpm and make similar hp, problem is even thought the top end is the same including bore, cam timing and runner length port size shapes etc.. will favor different rpm, bore stroke and rod ratios etc.. It's hard to impossible do apple to apple comparison when it comes to different displacements.

Now take 273/318/340/360 all have different bores as well as displacement, take 273/318/340 since they all have same stroke, they all have the same rpm ability with right top end, so the smaller ones won't be able to out rpm the larger to make up the displacement difference eg say there limit is 7250 rpm then 340 is gonna make the most power at 7250 rpm and 273 will make least at 7250 rpm but the 273 will need a lot less head flow to achieve it. Now 302/327/350 Chev all will have the same air flow capability cause of bore and parts, so stroke becomes limiting factor says the all have similar strength bottom end aka piston speed, says max piston speed 4000 fpm 302 hits 8000 rpm, a 327=7385 rpm, 350=6897 rpm, You will displace the same amount of fuel and air at those rpm 699 cfm so all would or should have same potential of hp. But they all have different bore stroke rod ratios friction losses etc.. and how heads cam etc.. will work with the different displacements and ratios but theoretically they have the same potential.


The 302/327/350 in this all make basically the same hp but at different rpm but the two different ls engine didn't mix bag of outcome.



But saying all that if the average 340/360 guy makes 350-450 hp and you build a 475 hp 318 setup to take full advantage of it for a quarter mile that you will beat all them and even higher hp cars if there not setup right, this would be if similar weight.


like this….

Iron-Headed Mopar 318 Magnum Engine- Popular Hot Rodding Magazine

went 11.60’s at 3400 pounds in my previous car with a smaller cam, stock fan and WP
At 12 to 1 with a roller at 3000 pounds, 10’s would have been easy. I shifted it at 6200 rpm
 
I dont know, now days, the chevy guys seem to have love for the LS platform, and they turn there nose up at the "conventional" small block chevy...
True that. Nothing wrong with them small blocks or a six.
A friend can not seem to decide on an engine to put in his '40 Chev coupe. He has a 305, a 301 turbo from a Firechicken, a '90's 4.3 that needs rebuild. But I me.ntione.d putting a full pressure. lube 235 in mine and I got the. LS trestme.nt from him. I want to build w ha t appears to be. a nostalgic '50's or '60's street rod.Hide modern EFI. I just laugh.
 
Are you going to dyno that 390 you are putting together ?
Probably not, the customer is a old man, I'd be surprised if the carburetor secondaries ever get opened. I think he just like the bragging rights of saying he has a "stroker"
 
OK, the 318 has a bit of shrouding issues. But that can be elevated somewhat with a bore notch. Pick your piston first. Then at TDC measure where the top ring stops. Go about 0.100" above that and make a mark. Then using a 340 head gasket, scribe around where the intake valve will be. Then using a round carbide, angle notch the bore down to your line of the piston ring mark leaving a 1/4 radii at the bottom. Go about 2.5 inches wide. De-bure edges.
Yes this will knock the compression ratio down, as will using the 340 head gasket bore. This is why you need to do the math before hand and buy the pistons CR a bit higher.
 
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