What does detonation sound like?

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To me, detonation sounds like a bunch of rattle can paint cans being shaken incredibly fast. It usually happens when you lug the vehicle, like going uphill and just barely giving it some gas. When you let off it stops. A friend of mine's Dad was an old timey mechanic, and he would set timing by ear that way. Run it up till it rattles a little, then ease it back down a little at a time till it quit rattling. He used to roll his eyes at us "Boys" and our timing light....lol.
The situation is exactly the same but the sound was different. This was a pop like gun fire. But I was barley in the gas pulling a hill and gave it a little more the rpms started climbing and it was a pop pop I let out and it went away. It does the same thing if I hammer it from a dead stop. I'll make some video tomorrow
 
No. Backfiring through the pipes is always a lean condition "somehow", whether it's because of crossed wires, lean carburetor, or "whatever" it's a lean condition.
Damn im just missing all my diagnostica today. I thought backfire was to rich. Is that if its backfiring thru the carbs? It will back fire thru the pipes if you rev it up while parked too. Do I need to richen it? I thought the bog was coming from it being to rich but maybe its too lean?
 
Have you had the distributor apart? Wondering if air gap between reluctor and pick up are giving a fit?
 
From my experience, it sounds like pea gravel rattling around in a can.
Light ping , sure does!.

Detonation...that sounds like a hammer smacking the piston top. No joke. Clack!
And after that noise, if hypers, the pee gravel sound comes back but the motor isn't running on anything but inertia due to the piston coming apart and wiping out a cylinder...
 
Damn im just missing all my diagnostica today. I thought backfire was to rich. Is that if its backfiring thru the carbs? It will back fire thru the pipes if you rev it up while parked too. Do I need to richen it? I thought the bog was coming from it being to rich but maybe its too lean?
A bog is almost always a lean condition. I'm almost inclined to think maybe you have a couple of wires crossed......on your engine I mean. lol Double check it.
 
Ok thanks that makes me feel a little better this sounded like a 22lr semi auto lol pop pop pop
There is a local pocket rocket car around here that backfires whenever the punk lets off the throttle. Imagine being in a convertible with your ear inline with the tail pipe. About went deaf the last time it happened.

Would love to have a hot V8 and some cutouts to pull up next to him and let him have a taste of his own medicine.
 
A bog is almost always a lean condition. I'm almost inclined to think maybe you have a couple of wires crossed......on your engine I mean. lol Double check it.
I'll check it out tomorrow I just pulled the dissy out so I could have crossed two. It ran alot better I messed with it.
 
Have you had the distributor apart? Wondering if air gap between reluctor and pick up are giving a fit?
Yes i took it apart to set my mechanical advance this is the first time out since then. I'll check the gap tomorrow too thanks for the idea!
 
Light ping , sure does!.

Detonation...that sounds like a hammer smacking the piston top. No joke. Clack!
And after that noise, if hypers, the pee gravel sound comes back but the motor isn't running on anything but inertia due to the piston coming apart and wiping out a cylinder...
Dang I hope its not that. Lol
 
Light ping , sure does!.

Detonation...that sounds like a hammer smacking the piston top. No joke. Clack!
And after that noise, if hypers, the pee gravel sound comes back but the motor isn't running on anything but inertia due to the piston coming apart and wiping out a cylinder...
YIKES! Ouch....
 
I just went through that, well, Thankfully, not that part... Never heard anything. But timing was way jacked up. Ran like a raped ape... Is it possible that headers would mask that?
Im running full exhaust its not real loud. Not as loud as yours lol yours sounds like its sucking in the ozone layer lol
 
Im running full exhaust its not real loud. Not as loud as yours lol yours sounds like its sucking in the ozone layer lol
I gave up running open headers years ago! Lol! 2 1/4 going to 20 year old turbo muffs ( hmm) with 2" or less out the back. Bought 2.5 " pipe and Flowmaster 40s last year. Wanna go from them to 2.25" out the back.... not my post, just trying to learn. I'm in Full Belief though, that without help from the Brothers here, I would have popped something.. . Ugh.
 
I gave up running open headers years ago! Lol! 2 1/4 going to 20 year old turbo muffs ( hmm) with 2" or less out the back. Bought 2.5 " pipe and Flowmaster 40s last year. Wanna go from them to 2.25" out the back.... not my post, just trying to learn. I'm in Full Belief though, that without help from the Brothers here, I would have popped something.. . Ugh.
I think mine is 2.25 all the way to the back. But yea on the 20yo turbos lol gonna replace the whole system eventually ill probably go 2.5 all the way back might just do it straight all the way back 2.5 inches I don't think it will be "too loud" lol
 
That's the best description I've ever heard.
You know, in another post last, week, I didn't comment on ( but wanted to, phone issues) when you described your Auto Shop teacher " laying hands " on the valve covers, it made me think.... my valves were not clattering, but had an Odd " grinding "sound... hope I didn't trash the seats.....
 
Dang I hope its not that. Lol
You get one clack with hypers if you fix it right away, it'll keep going... for some undetermined amount of time then fail.
The ring line comes off gets caught at TTC and breaks some other portion of the piston as a can also go and get chomped by a valve which will bend a quality valve.. depending on the pressure....might break if its econo parts. Cast and forged are so much more forgiving of a N/A lean or detonation scenario.
 
I think mine is 2.25 all the way to the back. But yea on the 20yo turbos lol gonna replace the whole system eventually ill probably go 2.5 all the way back might just do it straight all the way back 2.5 inches I don't think it will be "too loud" lol
Bro, it will sound and perform killer! But if you don't like it too loud, and teeth rattling, there are definitely better noise reduction/ power making muffs than the 40s I chose. Got em for 40 bucks from an exhaust supplier ( local warehouse), in retrospect, wish I had not got em. But I'll run em. Those were what I ran on my old 68 in the early 90s. Lol
 
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Are your plugs giving any clues? From you description I suspect a reduction in initial ignition timing should help? If plugs are chalky? Then likey running lean. That advanced timing can generate. If timing change has no effect? Then carb adjustments.

Post some pics of your plugs? Are you seeing any "Spotting" on the white porcelain on the plugs? That is caused by pre detonation issues.
 
Are your plugs giving any clues? From you description I suspect a reduction in initial ignition timing should help? If plugs are chalky? Then likey running lean. That advanced timing can generate. If timing change has no effect? Then carb adjustments.

Post some pics of your plugs? Are you seeing any "Spotting" on the white porcelain on the plugs? That is caused by pre detonation issues.
My plugs are showing signs of being rich. Extremely black and sooty. But as of now the engine has spent more time idling than driving.
 
My plugs are showing signs of being rich. Extremely black and sooty. But as of now the engine has spent more time idling than driving.
That's right, so reading the plugs is useless right now.
 
I had a classmate back in high school that got a 1973 Gran Torino Sport with the 351 4 barrel Cleveland. He had a lot of money and had his engine "built" , put I think 12.5 to 1 compression pistons, the biggest hydraulic cam that was available back then. He had headers and sidepipes put on it. He left the transmission stock and had 3.00 gears in the 9" rear end. Then his high school sweetie got knocked up and she was driving this as a daily driver. Mind you- this was right when they did away with Premium gas, right around 1975. She pulled into the small town gas station, where we were standing in the open bay door. She filled up with regular, we yelled at her to get on it when she left. It was the most horrific detonation I had ever heard. Like large marbles getting thrown in a big coffee can. Yeow!
 
DF,
From your description, it is NOT detonation. Backfiring exh can be a few things. Wiped cam lobe. Excessively rich mixture. Ign problem. I would look at the ign system first. Plug leads, cracked plug porcelain or faulty plug, fouled plugs, coil, carbon tracking in the cap/rotor, loose rotor causing cross firing, etc. Are you getting the correct voltage to the ign system?
 
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