Cost of Driving an EV

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mopowers said:
How did they determine "cost?" That alone is kind of a loaded word.
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AEG calculated the cost of chargers, additional road taxes, commercial charging fees, and “deadhead” miles for three different EV driving scenarios and compared these with 3 analogous ICE vehicle scenarios. The research found that fueling an EV is often more expensive than fueling an ICE vehicle. It further found that fueling costs are far more variable for EVs. The authors go on to note the significant time costs imposed on EV drivers as a result of both inadequate infrastructure and wait times associated with fueling, which can be five to ten times the cost for ICE drivers.
 
For me cost has to include everything in the life of the vehicle from purchase to disposition.
Purchase, maintenance, fueling, resale value...


Alan
 
Cuda416 said:
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AEG calculated the cost of chargers, additional road taxes, commercial charging fees, and “deadhead” miles for three different EV driving scenarios and compared these with 3 analogous ICE vehicle scenarios. The research found that fueling an EV is often more expensive than fueling an ICE vehicle. It further found that fueling costs are far more variable for EVs. The authors go on to note the significant time costs imposed on EV drivers as a result of both inadequate infrastructure and wait times associated with fueling, which can be five to ten times the cost for ICE drivers.
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I did. No reason to be a smart ***. It's still not clear to me. What are deadhead miles? And did they assign a monetary value to time costs? I don't drive an EV, but I'd imagine most owners just charge them at night, so the time cost is a moot point.
 
mopowers said:
I did. No reason to be a smart ***. It's still not clear to me. What are deadhead miles? And did they assign a monetary value to time costs? I don't drive an EV, but I'd imagine most owners just charge them at night, so the time cost is a moot point.
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My daughter has a Tesla and she does just that. Plugs it in a 120 volt outlet overnight and
it has a full charge the next day. She did get a bill for road use tax from the state since she doesn't have to buy gasoline.
It's not for everyone but its working her.
 
“Deadhead miles” are the miles of driving done to find a charging station. This cost of gas and electricity were stated but the cost/price if time were not. I would say that for the price / cost of time, would be the persons yearly salary divided by waking hours. And would be in the 30 an hour range for the people driving the cheaper EV’s and would be in the 60 an hour range for the expensive EV’s.

The one thing all these studies miss is: what power source is used for the generation of power. For Portland OR it is Coal and Hydro. Other parts is natural Gas and Solar, or Nucular and Solar, or any other combo of these sources. How green it is driving my EV car in the carpool lane, said the snowflake...
 
mopowers said:
I did. No reason to be a smart ***. It's still not clear to me. What are deadhead miles? And did they assign a monetary value to time costs? I don't drive an EV, but I'd imagine most owners just charge them at night, so the time cost is a moot point.
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Aww sure there is, just having fun man... :poke:
 
bobscuda67 said:
My daughter has a Tesla and she does just that. Plugs it in a 120 volt outlet overnight and
it has a full charge the next day. She did get a bill for road use tax from the state since she doesn't have to buy gasoline.
It's not for everyone but its working her.
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Could easily work if you don't go long distance, but as soon as you do, you need to charge somewhere other than your garage.
 
bobscuda67 said:
My daughter has a Tesla and she does just that. Plugs it in a 120 volt outlet overnight and
it has a full charge the next day. She did get a bill for road use tax from the state since she doesn't have to buy gasoline.
It's not for everyone but its working her.
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I'm curious because I have NO idea. Has she monitored the power required to charge it? Just wondering how much that costs over time. kWH would be nice to know since cost would be different everywhere for the same thing.
 
Deadhead miles? The cars computer calculates your range remaining and shows you the charging station on your GPS.
 
Cuda416 said:
I'm curious because I have NO idea. Has she monitored the power required to charge it? Just wondering how much that costs over time. kWH would be nice to know since cost would be different everywhere for the same thing.
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She lives in Tennessee and I really don't have a clue what it cost her.
Powering it up at home on a 120 volt charger is slow. You get like three miles for every hour it's charging. I think most people spring for a 220 volt charger and it's much faster.
I think it's around $6.00 to charge it up all the way.
 
bobscuda67 said:
Deadhead miles? The cars computer calculates your range remaining and shows you the charging station on your GPS.
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The summary mentioned commercial charges, so I'm not sure if they are talking about strictly commercial vehicles, but they do mention part of the "deadhead' calcs includes "fueling time" (charging vs filling) and waiting in line for such resources. Maybe that's it? Not really sure yet, since I haven't read it yet. I plan to later.
 
bobscuda67 said:
Deadhead miles? The cars computer calculates your range remaining and shows you the charging station on your GPS.
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doesnt mean there is no detour involved

even with my gas and diesel powered vehicles i need to consider when and where to fill up because once i get off the main drag there are no gas stations between there and my house


(now in that scenario, you might say i allready have deadhead miles in my daily commute)
 
bobscuda67 said:
She lives in Tennessee and I really don't have a clue what it cost her.
Powering it up at home on a 120 volt charger is slow. You get like three miles for every hour it's charging. I think most people spring for a 220 volt charger and it's much faster.
I think it's around $6.00 to charge it up all the way.
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Fast or slow doesn't determine the cost from a monetary standpoint, power is power. I'd certainly opt for the 220v
 
what about when you charge one?

overnight, electricity is less expensive then during the day
 
Cuda416 said:
The summary mentioned commercial charges, so I'm not sure if they are talking about strictly commercial vehicles, but they do mention part of the "deadhead' calcs includes "fueling time" (charging vs filling) and waiting in line for such resources. Maybe that's it? Not really sure yet, since I haven't read it yet. I plan to later.
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These are the chargers you see in parking lots. As the article noted, some are up to 4x the cost of charging at home...
 
Scody21 said:
“Deadhead miles” are the miles of driving done to find a charging station.
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Does that actually happen? The people I know with EV's simply use them around town, to commute to work, etc., charge them at home, and have another family vehicle for longer trips. They don't even use a commercial charging station. It seems like a made up cost to exaggerate the author's conclusion.

Their time cost argument is a joke too. If you charge your EV at night (which most people probably do), it should actually save you refueling time. Instead, they show a 7-fold increase in time costs. That alone should have anyone questioning their 'findings.'

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mopowers said:
Does that actually happen? The people I know with EV's simply use them around town, to commute to work, etc., charge them at home, and have another family vehicle for longer trips. They don't even use a commercial charging station. It seems like a made up cost to exaggerate the author's conclusion.

Their time cost argument is a joke too. If you charge your EV at night (which most people probably do), it should actually save you refueling time. Instead, they show a 7-fold increase in time costs. That alone should have anyone questioning their 'findings.'

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Not sure. I do see a lot of EV cars on interstate 5 between Seattle and San Francisco. A lot of Cali plates in Oregon, so that would tell me these peps are not local. Also see a bunch of EV’s make the trip out to the beach from Portland. It’s 140 miles one way and often see the changing station at store full of cars...
 
mopowers said:
Does that actually happen? The people I know with EV's simply use them around town, to commute to work, etc., charge them at home, and have another family vehicle for longer trips. They don't even use a commercial charging station. It seems like a made up cost to exaggerate the author's conclusion.

Their time cost argument is a joke too. If you charge your EV at night (which most people probably do), it should actually save you refueling time. Instead, they show a 7-fold increase in time costs. That alone should have anyone questioning their 'findings.'

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They clearly state they consider several scenarios.
 
mopowers said:
Does that actually happen? The people I know with EV's simply use them around town, to commute to work, etc., charge them at home, and have another family vehicle for longer trips. They don't even use a commercial charging station. It seems like a made up cost to exaggerate the author's conclusion.

Their time cost argument is a joke too. If you charge your EV at night (which most people probably do), it should actually save you refueling time. Instead, they show a 7-fold increase in time costs. That alone should have anyone questioning their 'findings.'

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Yes! I would question all of it. They have an agenda and you can see it in their findings.
And what kind of ICE car are they comparing it to? A high MPG econobox?
My daughters car has Hellcat Charger performance under her foot, which is scary.
I wonder what the total cost would be for a Hellcat vs the Tesla?
 
diymirage said:
doesnt mean there is no detour involved

even with my gas and diesel powered vehicles i need to consider when and where to fill up because once i get off the main drag there are no gas stations between there and my house


(now in that scenario, you might say i allready have deadhead miles in my daily commute)
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The states post detours on a website and the car monitors that and adjust it's GPS course.
An accident on the interstate could give you some problems I guess, but when your stuck in traffic the car is off and not using any battery.
 
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