Rocker oiling or lack of .

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Just like I set mine up today...
Again the only point that I was making was to someone else's comment... In theory you can put that shaft on upside down and backwards and it will still receive oil.. well I highly recommend you don't do this the point of the whole entire thread is that he's not getting oil up to the shaft... It's just a matter of lining up the cam holes with the drill going...
For all those reading along do not Orient the shaft upside down and backwards...
Yes you can, but the factory setup or any setup designed to oil like the factory will burn up the shafts and rockers pretty quickly like that because the high load areas will not receive enough oil. I've seen it happen first hand more than once. It matters, so why argue? Just to be an ***?
 
The reason the shaft orientation doesnt matter is because these are HS W2 rockers , shafts and pedestals . The shafts have slots vs holes so you can flip them and change the offset .
 
The reason the shaft orientation doesnt matter is because these are HS W2 rockers , shafts and pedestals . The shafts have slots vs holes so you can flip them and change the offset .
Ok cool I was waitin on you to chime back in. I will say this and I'm done. If they oil through the shafts and you don't have the oiling holes pointing down, you're gonna have a lot of worthless parts. Offset or not, the oil needs to come out of the shafts on the bottom where the loads are highest.
 
Yes you can, but the factory setup or any setup designed to oil like the factory will burn up the shafts and rockers pretty quickly like that because the high load areas will not receive enough oil. I've seen it happen first hand more than once. It matters, so why argue? Just to be an ***?
You're being an *** you dummy...
Are you not reading what I'm saying? I'm clearly saying do not Orient it upside down I didn't online today with my Factory setup... My point is the shaft would receive oil either way or or not the rockers the shaft not the rockers the shaft I'll say it a few times maybe it will get through your thick skull... I'm not saying to do it my point was that the shaft will receive oil any way you Orient it but I kept repeating myself do not do that put it in correctly like I did with mine notch down to the front on the driver side notch down to the back on the passenger side but if I would have flipped it upside down and put it in backwards the shaft would have still received oil but the rockers would not get oiled correctly...
And one more time dummy!!.. quit being a Mr know it All...
 
You're being an *** you dummy...
Are you not reading what I'm saying? I'm clearly saying do not Orient it upside down I didn't online today with my Factory setup... My point is the shaft would receive oil either way or or not the rockers the shaft not the rockers the shaft I'll say it a few times maybe it will get through your thick skull... I'm not saying to do it my point was that the shaft will receive oil any way you Orient it but I kept repeating myself do not do that put it in correctly like I did with mine notch down to the front on the driver side notch down to the back on the passenger side but if I would have flipped it upside down and put it in backwards the shaft would have still received oil but the rockers would not get oiled correctly...
And one more time dummy!!.. quit being a Mr know it All...
Then why even say it at all? If it's not correct and right, someone might latch onto it and do it. It's wrong.
 
On a small block:
Turn the motor to 90* before top dead center coming up on #1 compression. The pass. side rockers should get oil.
Turn the motor to 20* after top dead center just past #6 compression. The drivers side rockers should get oil.
 
On a small block:
Turn the motor to 90* before top dead center coming up on #1 compression. The pass. side rockers should get oil.
Turn the motor to 20* after top dead center just past #6 compression. The drivers side rockers should get oil.
Thanks man. One of these days, I'll write that down. LOL
 
There are oiling holes on bothe sides of these shafts .
That's why you have to be careful of the way you Orient it so the tiny holes or banana holes or towards the bottom and towards the outside of the engine...
But again my point was in response to post number 13 that no matter which way they go they should still receive oil even if you screw up and put them on wrong they should still receive oil because all five of those holes go all the way through and they're much larger than the bolts that go through them...
 
@jpar The mounting slots are offset on the shafts and can be mounted either side up .
 
Any chance you left out the inner rear oil gallery plugs? I recently forgot the left side inner rear plug and left side had low volume. Look down inside the distributor hole while priming. If you see a lot of oil splashing around in there, this could be it. If not, I would start wondering about the oil system mods, as long as you still have concerns after doing the degrees 70aarcuda mentioned. Maybe something did not go as planned. I don’t remember if you already had this combination working previously.
Oil pump priming issue
 
Sorry I opened the can Boy's. Anyway i'm a big block guy 512 lowdeck. I'll still put my rocker shafts on like the Cat-log says but I still varify first with all the rac'in parts.
 
Nope... checked that already .
The machine shop did the shortblock so I checked for it first thing . They must have installed the small plug above the rear main as well or I wouldnt have pressure to the sender or cam tunnel.
Any chance you left out the inner rear oil gallery plugs? I recently forgot the left side inner rear plug and left side had low volume. Look down inside the distributor hole while priming. If you see a lot of oil splashing around in there, this could be it. If not, I would start wondering about the oil system mods, as long as you still have concerns after doing the degrees 70aarcuda mentioned. Maybe something did not go as planned. I don’t remember if you already had this combination working previously.
Oil pump priming issue
 
I went through this recently with Comp steel rockers on a 440.
What I did: primed pump, nothing to the rockers. Rotated crank about 10* [ cam has the oil holes, it only moves 5* ] & primed again. I kept rotating the crank 10*/priming until I got oil out of one side. Looking at an old cam, I was able to determine how far I needed to rotate the crank to line up for the other side. Which I did. Bingo, oil!
You can also just go 10* until you hit oil, but you may have to two full turns on the crank, depending on where the oil holes were when you started.
 
were your cam bearings all lined up? Didnt see if you changed those. If your getting any oil with a pre-ube speed, your gonna get a lot more at idle.
I just ordered a bullet hyd roller from Ruben,through Herbert cams and its 2/3 are full groove.
The issue of little to no oil on the spring/beyond the rocker can assist in wearing the guides and heating the pr's . Make sure it pisses the spring n guide. If not...do the vertical nick to bring some oil into the time zone. .or redrill the shafts.
 
Keep in mind if these are “normal” HS rockers(solid adjuster screw), having “pushrod oiling” will only be lubing the adjuster screw and pushrod.
There is no way for the oil to get from the pushrod to the inside of the rocker.

Unless the rockers have some oiling provisions beyond what is typical for HS, I would want to make sure the std head oiling is functioning 100%.
 
AHA ! I have oil to the drivers side @ 113* ATDC ! Now to find where pass side occurs . Still not much oil coming thru pushrods though ... puzzling...

Oops .. my bad. 113 BTDC
 
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Got oil to passenger side ! Went 10* at a time .

Keep in mind if these are “normal” HS rockers(solid adjuster screw), having “pushrod oiling” will only be lubing the adjuster screw and pushrod.
There is no way for the oil to get from the pushrod to the inside of the rocker.

Unless the rockers have some oiling provisions beyond what is typical for HS, I would want to make sure the std head oiling is functioning 100%.

The W2 Race heads did not come drilled for shaft oiling . They were intended to use pushrod oiling . Ryan Johnson drilled my heads so I could oil the shafts ( for free I might add).
I converted the adjusters to cup style with a oil hole and band . The rockers have galleys feeding the bearings .
 
A lot of good info in this post and some confusing as well. I am in the process of putting my 408 together - Trickflow heads, HS 1.6 rockers and shafts, hyd roller. I have Hughes roller lifters that provide oiling via pushrods. What I am seeing said is oiling via shafts and pushrod can be used simultaneously without a significant oil pressure drop? Is that correct? Or should the block oil galley paths to the shafts be restricted?
 
A lot of good info in this post and some confusing as well. I am in the process of putting my 408 together - Trickflow heads, HS 1.6 rockers and shafts, hyd roller. I have Hughes roller lifters that provide oiling via pushrods. What I am seeing said is oiling via shafts and pushrod can be used simultaneously without a significant oil pressure drop? Is that correct? Or should the block oil galley paths to the shafts be restricted?

There should a drop in pressure and I am prepared to add restritors . What size I wont know until I run the engine . I might not need any judging by the small amount of oil coming out while priming . I know that will change once it is running .
 
Got oil to passenger side ! Went 10* at a time .



The W2 Race heads did not come drilled for shaft oiling . They were intended to use pushrod oiling . Ryan Johnson drilled my heads so I could oil the shafts ( for free I might add).
I converted the adjusters to cup style with a oil hole and band . The rockers have galleys feeding the bearings .


I used w2 race heads for several years and they oiled thru the shaft......
 
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