Best performing non offset Small block Mopar heads

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B3422w5 said:
Lets put it like this. I would bet money you could put any other non offset Mopar production style head on it, and it would slow it down.
Why be a hater, just saying i think the head makes impressive power. I have been around long enough to have an informed opinion… i could care less if nobody on here ever is fortunate enough to get a set. It wont change my life one iota
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You must have some really fucked up ideas is all I can say. ****!!! If you want to make some real power why not REALLY got all out with unubtainium and wish you had a set of Gurney-Weslakes?------along with all the rest of what it takes to build something outta them?
 
I’m going to have to divide this post up so hood on and bear with me.

B3422w5 said:
i bet there aren't 5 guys on this forum who would buy these heads if he made a million of them.
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Got that right!

Never said they arent available for 99.9% of guys.
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Not in those words you didn’t.
“Limited run”
“Select people/racers”

Sounds like that just cut 99.9% out of the picture to me!

I said most guys dont need them and wouldnt pay for them. Anything Mopar LA is limited interest. Welcome to 2021.
You overestimate greatly the market.
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I agree except you think “I” greatly over estimated.
Not true. It must have been when I said “Mass Produce” which was actually to be focused on the potential & possible buyers of the head.

How many guys on here have even bought trick flow heads? 5, 6 7 or 8.. maybe even less?
I think you vastly over estimate the number of guys on here who could be considered serious racers who actually get to a track
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I never took into account or a count of whom may actually be a serious or part time racer. I actually don’t care if you do or don’t.

You post on here all the time, when is the last time you went down a track?
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A very long time ago. Looking forward to it again in Retirement.

(You should have a great laugh at my expense when I do since I s a rare thing for me to do.)

Most here aren't even halfway serious racers, those that arent are very unlikely to sink 2500-3000 into a set of heads.
They still covet purple shaft cams and X heads
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True. I have not seen you post a price up ether. You only said more than a TF head.

My wife has a set on her car but she has not taken it down the track. I asked her about this weekend, she is not sure. If she never takes it down the track, that’s fine.

She is not afraid to hammer on this thing one bit and can run through a manual shifter as good as most any guy or gal (non- regular racer) out there. Bank on that ****!

We are not putting the screws to the heads to see what kind of power we can get out of it. We have tried and run a good bit Edelbrock & ProMaxx heads and these made a noticeable amount of power over the other two. No dyno time ether. We just enjoy the car.

I still find there is a place for the X head, Stock or ported. I find nothing wrong with a Purple shaft cam.
There is a place for them. Most of all, it’s owners choice. There car there way. If they don’t make the best choice, known or theoretical, as long as there happy.
 
Just an observation with regards to how many fabo members may have bought the SB TF heads.........
I have no idea how many.
However....... TF still managed to sell every TF190 Mopar head they made.

Im guessing that amounts to more than a few sets of heads.
So, there doesn’t appear to be any shortage of people willing to spend $2k+ on a pair of well made..... and well marketed..... heads.
 
PRH said:
Just an observation with regards to how many fabo members may have bought the SB TF heads.........
I have no idea how many.
However....... TF still managed to sell every TF190 Mopar head they made.

Im guessing that amounts to more than a few
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and that has exactly what to do with this forum where there is a large population of non racers?
If i wanted to sell a race head, frankly this wouldn't be my first choice of where to market it. Do you disagree?

and i am still waiting for for somebody to step forward that goes well over 130mph with a pump gas stroker and production style head. Not holding my breath. Just a bunch of ankle biters, it seems
 
If I was building something I thought needed race heads, I’d just use Indy heads.

So, if not here...... where should Rod be putting his marketing efforts to their best use?

Right now, aside from your posts....... they appear to be the worlds best kept secret for SB Mopar heads.
 
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B3422w5 said:
and i am still waiting for for somebody to step forward that goes well over 130mph with a pump gas stroker and production style head. Not holding my breath. Just a bunch of ankle biters, it seems
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tell us about your hotrod and how fast you are. How much skin do you have in this game.

my ankle biter street legal, full exhaust, full interior AMC routinely ran 10.30’s at 134 at altitude. Pump gas Indy headed 390 in a 69 AMX. Raced every weekend chasing points since the mid 90’s. Not necessarily relevant to this thread but but there’s my skin and a sign I’m no ankle biter.

I am curious if Indy spent Extensive (Your words) amount of time on a set of sbm heads if they wouldn’t be comparable.
 
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Perhaps the reason there hasn’t been any official announcement of the release of the new BPE Heads is that they don’t really want to get into a situation where they have to fill a bunch of orders for the heads.

IF they’re going to only be catering to a select few customers, then I don’t put them in the “readily available” category......... like the other std offset rocker heads they’re competing against.

I guess time will tell.
 
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B3422w5 said:
and that has exactly what to do with this forum where there is a large population of non racers?
If i wanted to sell a race head, frankly this wouldn't be my first choice of where to market it. Do you disagree?
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Funny you mention that, “in this forum”, because often you’ll make this mention of these mystery heads in another forum. However! Non racers still read the race forms looking for tips and tricks that aren’t normal on street cars. Perhaps a street racer has a trick that would help a street guy out?

and i am still waiting for for somebody to step forward that goes well over 130mph with a pump gas stroker and production style head. Not holding my breath. Just a bunch of ankle biters, it seems
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I’d like to see that too! But who are you calling Anklebiters? Certainly not me! I don’t fit the bill in anyway shape or form. Quite frankly! All I have done is questioned you. I do believe you and that you believe in yourself, it’s just a simple ******* question you have an answered yet. Actually it’s been a couple questions you have an answered yet! I think you are the one dipping the bait in the water. But it’s really a bate less hook.

You’re calling people out, whoever they may be, and daring them to show how fast they’re going on a stock replacement head against your Mystery head! This is a lose lose situation and thread you have created. If anything, I’m starting to think you’re an asshole! I

this is how I see what you’re posting, “Hey all, bring forth your best against my mysterious head that has absolutely no limit and will kick your *** no matter what it is you say!”
 
Yeah! Didn’t he say they were readily available earlier, also a different threads?
 
It's not real mass production head .. ..theyre one offs...
And this guy...
...this guy comes here and fluffs everyone's prik about a fuckin head he then later says he could "care less if any of us are fortunate enough to get a set".
I think someone hit their head on the toilet bowl at birth.
 
A google search only brought up info about the earlier version.

Maybe they’re listed on the Dark Web.
 
You have to be part of the “Double Secret Probation Racers Club of America” in order to be informed.

This is ridiculous!
 
I’m confused. Are we talking ootb as sold old x-heads, W2’s, Speedmasters, Edelbrocks, EQ’s, TF, Bloomer, Indy etc etc? No porting, no valve size increases, no tubing etc?? A hogged out race head with big valves sold as an ootb standard offering would mean any Home ported, or porting service, a race shop reworked head counts or no? Equal sized valves for any other being compared etc ? What counts and what is excluded so we know what’s being compared. Total cost for each setup as run. I need clarification
 
12many said:
I’m confused. Are we talking ootb as sold x-heads, W2’s, Speedmasters, Edelbrocks, TF, Bloomer, Indy etc etc? No porting, no valve size increases, no tubing etc?? A hogged out race head with big valves sold as an ootb standard offering would mean any Home ported, or porting service, a race shop reworked head counts or no? Equal sized valves for any other being compared etc ? What counts and what is excluded so we know what’s being compared. Total cost for each setup as run. I need clarification
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B3422w5 is talking about (The Mystery) Bloomer head, a modified aluminum unit that I know not of where it came from against anyone else’s head. The head doesn’t have off set rockers. So any off set rocker head is disqualified.
 
rumblefish360 said:
B3422w5 is talking about (The Mystery) Bloomer head, a modified aluminum unit that I know not of where it came from against anyone else’s head. The head doesn’t have off set rockers. So any off set rocker head is disqualified.
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I don’t qualify as a racer but......
I know the head being referenced, but only from posts about it in this forum. Sounds like a casting that has been ported, setup and seems impressive. So taking final cost and time involved into consideration to acquire the heads I can only assume that it’s being mentioned as at the top of the heap of any and all other heads out there from what the OP has stated? I’m just wondering about how any of the “competition” qualifies, for clarity.
Common sense says there are others out there at drag strips, hot shoes, somewhere out there, running another head that surpasses this Bloomer head. Maybe they have no time or use for social media or posts elsewhere. It’s a given. Where? By who? Who knows. Maybe so, maybe not. There’s always someone faster though right??:)
 
PRH said:
If I was building something I thought needed race heads, I’d just use Indy heads.

So, if not here...... where should Rod be putting his marketing efforts to their best use?

Right now, aside from your posts....... they appear to be the worlds best kept secret for SB Mopar heads.
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they may be a secret here, but not in the mopar community writ large.
Regards Indy heads, i agree. But there are guys who dont want to buy new rockers, headers, intakes when they already have them too.
I mean really, seeing how the heads have already gone 132 at 3200 on pump gas on a street car. What would they run on a 13 to 1 more typical 3000 pound sorted out bracket car?
 
rumblefish360 said:
B3422w5 is talking about (The Mystery) Bloomer head, a modified aluminum unit that I know not of where it came from against anyone else’s head. The head doesn’t have off set rockers. So any off set rocker head is disqualified.
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what dont you know? Its a Chinese casting that was developed by a very sharp head guy to make max power without an offset rocker that will accept production bolts ons.
Its not a mystery head at all. A poster on here or two has them already, and i have seen a car local to me run them during drag week. Nothing mystery about them at all.
 
B3422w5 said:
they may be a secret here, but not in the mopar community writ large.
Regards Indy heads, i agree. But there are guys who dont want to buy new rockers, headers, intakes when they already have them too.
I mean really, seeing how the heads have already gone 132 at 3200 on pump gas on a street car. What would they run on a 13 to 1 more typical 3000 pound sorted out bracket car?
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What would what run, heads people can’t see, can’t read about and from a seller that may or may not sell them to you.
 
rumblefish360 said:
Funny you mention that, “in this forum”, because often you’ll make this mention of these mystery heads in another forum. However! Non racers still read the race forms looking for tips and tricks that aren’t normal on street cars. Perhaps a street racer has a trick that would help a street guy out?


I’d like to see that too! But who are you calling Anklebiters? Certainly not me! I don’t fit the bill in anyway shape or form. Quite frankly! All I have done is questioned you. I do believe you and that you believe in yourself, it’s just a simple ******* question you have an answered yet. Actually it’s been a couple questions you have an answered yet! I think you are the one dipping the bait in the water. But it’s really a bate less hook.

You’re calling people out, whoever they may be, and daring them to show how fast they’re going on a stock replacement head against your Mystery head! This is a lose lose situation and thread you have created. If anything, I’m starting to think you’re an asshole! I

this is how I see what you’re posting, “Hey all, bring forth your best against my mysterious head that has absolutely no limit and will kick your *** no matter what it is you say!”
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Ok..thats its for me. You keep saying mystery head. Nothing mystery about it. You know who sells them, you have forum members who own them and a forum member( me) who has seen them perform and mph and ET’s are readily available.
I think i have led anybody to water who is interested enough to contact the owner to get a set or get further info.
I dont know how much better than that it needs to be
 
MOPAROFFICIAL said:
It's not real mass production head .. ..theyre one offs...
And this guy...
...this guy comes here and fluffs everyone's prik about a fuckin head he then later says he could "care less if any of us are fortunate enough to get a set".
I think someone hit their head on the toilet bowl at birth.
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people accused me of being a salesman for the head. Its probably the last thing those heads need.
Word of mouth will sell as many as the owner wants to fool with.
Yes, it wont ever be mass produced, but they are available to racers right now
 
I have a decent set of Edelbrock heads done by Curtis Boggs at RFD. They went 6.57 at 104+, 3240# on pump 93, in a street/strip 69 Dart. 408 with only 10.8-1, 2.055" intake valve, flat solid 260/264 @ .050, .628/.632", Victor intake, 4.10 gears with a 28" tall tire. It wasn't a world beater but no slouch either.

I've read this entire post and what I find funny is that the guys who are bitching and crying the most will never consider the Bloomer head. Internet experts and key board warriors at their finest. :rofl:
 
B3422w5 said:
what dont you know? Its a Chinese casting that
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Thank you! I didn’t want to assume they were a chink casting. I thought they were. Just 100% sure on it.

was developed by a very sharp head guy to make max power without an offset rocker that will accept production bolts ons.
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This, I know.
Its not a mystery head at all. A poster on here or two has them already, and i have seen a car local to me run them during drag week. Nothing mystery about them at all.
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Sure it’s a mystery head. It’s a mystery to;

Who actually owns a set
Who can get a set
Where to get a set
Who is getting the next set
What the heads look like
Specs on the heads
When MR. B is doing the next set

You make the claims without any proof, just sayin…
You say, people on FB have and know about them. Who are these people? And the 1 person here that has 2 sets is who now?

Come on dude! Really?!?!

EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM IS A MYSTERY

Let me know when Gandolf the wizard blesses you with a set of unicorn heads, I’d love to know all about them & what your doing so I can wave the MP flag at the races cheering you on.

I just wanna know something about them. Bring on the information!

I just don’t get why you throw in your 2 cents with these heads as if there readily available in which you seem to flip flop back and forth on and about.

If these heads were readily available, which there not, and not for everyone or just simply for a select few, this would be a very different thread if at all ever created.

These heads should never be brought up in conversation IMO when t comes to a “What to get” question or even a comparison. These are just like the Westland heads.
 
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