Timing tips

There is an engine masters episode where they discuss wot timing requirements on a gen 3 hemi and the myth that they don’t need or want timing. I’ll see if I can find it. The stock curve is very conservative and the “dip” you see is likely to compensate for knock at the torque peak with the stock cam. Your values will be different because of your cam and intake change. 5 degrees is a lot of timing to pull at peak tq but not it’s not uncommon to see a dip in the map. You just need more tuning time. You’ll get there.