Can my car kill a battery in 2 weeks?

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Two weeks ago, my 64 Sport Fury would not start, so I attached the Battery Tender and tried to charge it. The Tender light just kept blinking yellow (meaning the charger is working properly) after many hours. I took the DieHard to Advance Auto Parts since they handle DieHards now that Sears is gone. They tested the battery, which was only 1.5 years old, and said it was bad. They gave me a new battery (under warranty) at no charge. I hook up the new battery and the car starts right up.

Yesterday, I go to start it – and nothing. I put the Battery Tender on overnight, and today the yellow light was still blinking. It had not charged at all. No dim lights, or anything. I did not test the voltage. There is no history of battery drainage on this car.

Is this another bad battery, or is my car a battery killer? I’ll take it back for testing, but do you guys have any thoughts on this?
 
Yes, but it should not drain to zero in two weeks. And now it will not even charge.
 
Battery tenders are notoriously slow charging at very low rates. They are tenders not chargers. You might want to check yours for output. Some of them will not charge at all if it senses a very low voltage. If the drain is greater than the Tender output, it simply cannot keep up.

But you should know that your alternator output stud is always connected to the battery, there is no way of shutting it off. Inside the alternator are 6 diodes, all connected between the battery and the ground which is fine until one of them decides to leak power. When this happens, it will run your battery down.
If just one is leaking you may not notice it on your ammeter, and the car will otherwise operate normally, allbeit with a slower and reduced rate of charge. You can test for this with your A/C voltmeter, on the output stud with the engine idling; it should not be there.

30/40 years ago Sears DieHards were a pretty good Battery. I cannot say if that remains true today.
 
My dart was doing that and come to find out it was the trunk light staying on the switch was bad leaving the light on full time I took the bulb out and it went away. Check all your bulbs. The way I found mine was I connected the battery with everything off no key doors closed etc waited 20 mins and started touching the bulbs until I found a hot one.
 
Agree. Tenders are for just that, to maintain the charge level.
Use a regular charger with 2-6 amps minimum and slow charge out of the car in a well ventilated area.
Charging creates Hydrogen gas, very explosive.
Full charge minimum voltage is 12.6 volts after surface charge is removed.
 
Disconnect the negative cable when not in use, your clock alone will discharge your battery down.
 
Yes, but it should not drain to zero in two weeks. And now it will not even charge.
Your tender has turned into a POS it sounds like.
 
See post 4. Could not have said it better. Tenders are for keeping a battery topped off, not for getting it there, however, I still question the tender. Do you have a Volt ohm test meter? If not, get one. They're cheap. Disconnect the negative battery cable. With the meter set to measure DC AMPS, Put one probe on the end of the battery cable. Now strap the other probe around the negative battery post, leaving the meter between the negative battery cable and the negative post. Read the meter and see how many AMPS you have. I forget what's acceptable, but it AIN'T much. @67Dart273 (Del) has forgotten more about this kinda stuff than most these guys will ever know. I tagged him so maybe he will chime in and help.

No offense meant at all when I say this.....because lord knows I'm electrically stupid, but if you don't have SOME sense of electrical diagnosis, you need to be VERY careful, OR better yet, get a friend who knows some. These old gals are kinda picky in that area. The last thing you want to do is end up burning up a wiring harness.
 
Deep discharge. Most Digital battery chargers will not bring them back. They need a little jump from a good battery to start charging. A bulb staying on is very common. Done light, trunk light and the glove box light are common, one that gets overlooked is power antenna.
I have a flir camera that attatches to my smart phone, it makes quick work of something like this. Current draw also produces heat.
 
My dart was doing that and come to find out it was the trunk light staying on the switch was bad leaving the light on full time I took the bulb out and it went away. Check all your bulbs. The way I found mine was I connected the battery with everything off no key doors closed etc waited 20 mins and started touching the bulbs until I found a hot one.
Glove box light for me once.
Here is what I would do. Electrical geniuses @67Dart273 or @AJ/FormS please feel free to correct me if needed:
1. Like @Car Nut said, disconnect the battery when not in use. It only takes a few seconds to hook it back up. However, if you drive at a lot, and/or if you have a modern radio with preset stations you don't want to lose. skip step 1 and find your problem.
2. I LOVE 64 Sport Furys. With the exception of a clock, I cannot think of anything that would need power with the key off. Try what @dartfreak75 said first. I had a problem with the glove box light staying on. I found that when I was in the garage at night and when I turned the light out, for some reason I cannot remember, I saw a sliver of light coming from the glovebox on an old car. So the hot bulb trick will work. It could even be a dome light.
3. If you have a good multi meter to check for current flow, that is great. If not, you can buy one of those circuit testers with a light in the handle. When you complete a circuit with the pointy end of the tool and the alligator clip end of the wire, the light comes on. With the key in "OFF", remove the positive cable. Using a circuit tester see if there is current flowing from the terminal of the battery to the positive cable. With the exception of a clock, there should not be. If there is current flowing, you have a draw, but where?
4. Assuming you have a drain, pull all the fuses and carefully note where they went. If there is still a current draw, like @AJ/FormS said, the alternator could be your problem. If this is the case, unhook the alternator. If the drain goes away now, it is the alternator, because all fuses were pulled. New Alternator, Easy Peasy.
5. If the alternator is not the problem (UGH!), then start putting the fuses back in one at a time, checking for current flow between the positive terminal and the positive cable each time. Here is where a helper comes in handy. If installing a fuse results in current flowing between the positive battery post and cable, you have identified a fuse circuit with a drain with the key off. Once you identify a fuse circuit with a drain, carefully note which fuse it is in and pull the fuse back out. I would do it like this because you COULD possibly have more than one problem circuit. Once you have identified the fuse(s) responsible you need to identify each and every item drawing power from that fuse and isolate them one at a time to see if the draw goes away. A wiring diagram will help. I think most owner manuals also detail what items each fuse feeds. This is where a helper REALLY comes in handy, because getting in and out of the car a few dozen times is a pain, specially if you are under the dash. Unplugging is the best way to isolate an item, but some plugs can be hard to get to. Regardless, isolating things is the only way you will find your problem. I don't know about old Mopar clocks, but I do know that some old car clocks did not need current all the time. The had a set of points in them that closed when the clock spring wound down, and when the points closed, a quick shot of electricity would wind the clock. But I seriously doubt a clock would be the culprit.
6. If you carefully isolated every possible item requiring electricity on the offending fuse circuit, you could have bad wire causing a dead short/grounding. Although that would likely cause a fuse to blow, it could happen.
 
I found a quick test to see if you have a closed circuit take a test light remove the battery cable put one end on the cable and the other on the post if the light comes on you have a draw remove fuses or bulbs till it goes off. Make sure all the doors are closed when you do this.
 
Could be an alternator negative diode leaking (allowing current through the wrong way).
Looking for a small leak has already been described.
I found a quick test to see if you have a closed circuit take a test light remove the battery cable put one end on the cable and the other on the post if the light comes on you have a draw remove fuses or bulbs till it goes off. Make sure all the doors are closed when you do this.
If it lights with this test, yes definately an electrical leak.
If it doesn't light, there still may be a small leak, but the resistance is too high to get the bulb glow.

Disconnect the negative battery cable. With the meter set to measure DC AMPS, Put one probe on the end of the battery cable. Now strap the other probe around the negative battery post, leaving the meter between the negative battery cable and the negative post. Read the meter and see how many AMPS you have.
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If the multi-meter only has miliAmps, it may be worth first checking as a dartfreak suggested.
Higher currents through a meter can damage them. A meter that can handle a few amps will usually have a fuse in them.
 
Likewise on the glove box light for me. Didn't discover it until my wife and I were driving home one night and she noticed a line of light across her knees. Disconnected it and problem solved. I had the same issue on my old cuda once and it was the trunk light.
 
Glove box light for me once.
Here is what I would do. Electrical geniuses @67Dart273 or @AJ/FormS please feel free to correct me if needed:
1. Like @Car Nut said, disconnect the battery when not in use. It only takes a few seconds to hook it back up. However, if you drive at a lot, and/or if you have a modern radio with preset stations you don't want to lose. skip step 1 and find your problem.
2. I LOVE 64 Sport Furys. With the exception of a clock, I cannot think of anything that would need power with the key off. Try what @dartfreak75 said first. I had a problem with the glove box light staying on. I found that when I was in the garage at night and when I turned the light out, for some reason I cannot remember, I saw a sliver of light coming from the glovebox on an old car. So the hot bulb trick will work. It could even be a dome light.
3. If you have a good multi meter to check for current flow, that is great. If not, you can buy one of those circuit testers with a light in the handle. When you complete a circuit with the pointy end of the tool and the alligator clip end of the wire, the light comes on. With the key in "OFF", remove the positive cable. Using a circuit tester see if there is current flowing from the terminal of the battery to the positive cable. With the exception of a clock, there should not be. If there is current flowing, you have a draw, but where?
4. Assuming you have a drain, pull all the fuses and carefully note where they went. If there is still a current draw, like @AJ/FormS said, the alternator could be your problem. If this is the case, unhook the alternator. If the drain goes away now, it is the alternator, because all fuses were pulled. New Alternator, Easy Peasy.
5. If the alternator is not the problem (UGH!), then start putting the fuses back in one at a time, checking for current flow between the positive terminal and the positive cable each time. Here is where a helper comes in handy. If installing a fuse results in current flowing between the positive battery post and cable, you have identified a fuse circuit with a drain with the key off. Once you identify a fuse circuit with a drain, carefully note which fuse it is in and pull the fuse back out. I would do it like this because you COULD possibly have more than one problem circuit. Once you have identified the fuse(s) responsible you need to identify each and every item drawing power from that fuse and isolate them one at a time to see if the draw goes away. A wiring diagram will help. I think most owner manuals also detail what items each fuse feeds. This is where a helper REALLY comes in handy, because getting in and out of the car a few dozen times is a pain, specially if you are under the dash. Unplugging is the best way to isolate an item, but some plugs can be hard to get to. Regardless, isolating things is the only way you will find your problem. I don't know about old Mopar clocks, but I do know that some old car clocks did not need current all the time. The had a set of points in them that closed when the clock spring wound down, and when the points closed, a quick shot of electricity would wind the clock. But I seriously doubt a clock would be the culprit.
6. If you carefully isolated every possible item requiring electricity on the offending fuse circuit, you could have bad wire causing a dead short/grounding. Although that would likely cause a fuse to blow, it could happen.
A 64 fury is my dream car.
 
Could be an alternator negative diode leaking (allowing current through the wrong way).
Looking for a small leak has already been described.

If it lights with this test, yes definately an electrical leak.
If it doesn't light, there still may be a small leak, but the resistance is too high to get the bulb glow.


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If the multi-meter only has miliAmps, it may be worth first checking as a dartfreak suggested.
Higher currents through a meter can damage them. A meter that can handle a few amps will usually have a fuse in them.
I sold a lot of Fluke fuses. Too many amps. Pop! How do you know how much the circuit is drawing? The test light will help. A bright light is a lot of draw. A dim light not so much. I also sold a lot of inductive pick up amp clamps and meters. That's the best way to test for amp draws.
 
This topic got me to thinking It seems pretty common i wonder how many cars got scraped back in the 80s-90s because of this simple problem. Because I remember it was a pita for me I changed the battery then the new one went dead replaced the battery and the alternator went dead again spent months trying to track it down and finally just put a disconnect on the battery terminal until I accidentally found it one day. This happened back when my dart was my daily. I just wonder how many times people (who don't love their cars like we do) got feed up scraped them and bought another car over something like this.
 
Yes, but it should not drain to zero in two weeks. And now it will not even charge.
You have no reason to assume that. Drains come in all shapes and sizes. Have you actually CHECKED for a drain?

Also depending on what your battery tender "is" it may have LESS power than the DRAIN. So it would NEVER charge up. Even if the tender puts out more current than the drain, it may be such a small tender, and or such a large drain, that the charge level just doesn't matter

On top of that, once a battery gets so far 'dead' a small charger may not be able to re-activate it. The heavier the battery, the worse this is, and the colder the weather (battery) the worse it is.

NEVER try to charge a frozen battery, by the way.

HOW TO diagnose a drain

1...Assume nothing.

2...Check everything you can think of that might be "on." Trunk light, glove box, do you have a modern stereo? Stereos can drain two ways---the "keep alive" for the program memory, and the output amplifier circuits are often "hot" at all times. So a bad cap/ other component can create drain--at various levels

Alternator. Sometimes alternator can have a drain, partially bad diode, etc

3A....HOW TO CHECK. Start out with an incandescant test lamp. Remove battery ground, and hook test lamp from engine ground or ground cable to the NEG post. If the light glows at all, there is a drain. If it lights really bright, be careful-------with your meter

3B...Now get your meter and set it up for the high amps scale, 10A, 20A whatever. Now put the meter in series with the battery just like the lamp. If it shows noting on the high scale, drop down to milliamps, etc. Allowable maximum opinions vary, but it should be WELL under .1A (1/10 of 1 amp) and should be more like less than 50ma (50 milli amps)
 
Once you confirm whether or not there is a parasitic drain, and once you’ve confirmed there are no accessories being left on causing the drain (i.e. glove box light, trunk light) your next step is to remove fuses one at a time to see if the drain is eliminated.

If removing fuses does not eliminate the drain you move on the engine bay connectors.

Eventually you’ll find that removing a fuse or connector eliminates the drain and then you turn to your trusted factory service manual wiring diagram to trace the circuits.
 
Unhook the ground cable. Put a test light between the ground cable and negative post. If the light comes on you have a draw
 
Found a drain once in the lighter. Not very much, but was there. Corrosion, debri build-up and moisture, and it formed a conductive ?paste? that drew a bit of current.
 
Unhook the ground cable. Put a test light between the ground cable and negative post. If the light comes on you have a draw
And make sure your test light has a incandescent bulb and not a led.
 
A current draw can in fact kill a battery in a matter of hours, it just depends on how much current is being drawn. I had a 94 Camaro several years ago that would drain a fully charged battery overnight. I suspected it was the alternator, but never did nail it down, the car was stolen before I was able to pinpoint it. Always ran fine, charging voltage was within the acceptable range, but if I didn't disconnect the battery it would be dead by morning.
 
Not in this case but similar- when doing the battery/test light test- rather than testing to the cable, test to the battery itself. In the old days found many batteries discharging 4-6v just because they were dirty.
 
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