loose bearing race - K/H disc hub

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You think the "interference fit" doesn't cause some wear to the hub when you replace the races? What about the studs? The forces they apply to the hub will eventually wear those holes. Certainly removing and replacing studs is something you can only do some many times before you need oversized studs to achieve the proper fit.

My point is that while serviceable, the hubs do have a lifespan even when everything is done properly. And all it takes is one race to get a little crooked when it's being installed to cause tolerance issues later. If everything is done perfectly you can replace a whole lot of races before the hub will fall out of tolerance, but not everything is always done perfectly. And over 50+ years, **** happens.[/QUOTE]
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And just how do these dire predictions of yours get eliminated by using Locktite? Aren't you talking about the same used hub that now adds another variable to it's condition and lifespan? That interference fit you worry about is non-existent using Locktite. The bearing is designed to have it's race squeezed a bit in the hub. That's factored in when machining a bearing so the parts match correctly and give the best contact pattern.....not unlike main and rod bearing crush in an engine. IMO, the lifespan of a hub is going to be WAY more than my own....or even my young relatives for that matter. Definitely nothing I would worry about unless someone does some sort of poor/Mickey Mouse repair.
 
66fs said:
Yea, just a Design Engineer. Not on my hubs.
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and me , just a Professional Engineer with over 42 years experience in automotive casting-machining, engine assembly and engine test.
Also did I mention, ASQ Certified Quality Auditor and Six Sigma Black Belt certifications.
I think I know a little about: parts, problem identification and problem resolution.
 
my68barracuda said:
and me , just a Professional Engineer with over 42 years experience in automotive casting-machining, engine assembly and engine test.
Also did I mention, ASQ Certified Quality Auditor and Six Sigma Black Belt certifications.
I think I know a little about: parts, problem identification and problem resolution.
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Well you and your wife are good company for supper. I know that much. lol
 
This seemed like such a simple question. I did get enough information to figure out what to do.

Now we have 2 factions that don't agree on a solution, but that's not enough, no they have to be disagreeable about it. Question each other's qualifications to have an opinion, right to have an opinion, metal stability, etc. etc. etc.
:mob::mob: :mob::mob:
:mad::realcrazy:

Wouldn't it be great if we could offer up our experience and information and not get personal about it...
 
str12-340 said:
This seemed like such a simple question. I did get enough information to figure out what to do.

Now we have 2 factions that don't agree on a solution, but that's not enough, no they have to be disagreeable about it. Question each other's qualifications to have an opinion, right to have an opinion, metal stability, etc. etc. etc.
:mob::mob: :mob::mob:
:mad::realcrazy:

Wouldn't it be great if we could offer up our experience and information and not get personal about it...
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S'why I threw my suggestion out there and kinda walked off. lol
 
str12-340 said:
This seemed like such a simple question. I did get enough information to figure out what to do.

Now we have 2 factions that don't agree on a solution, but that's not enough, no they have to be disagreeable about it. Question each other's qualifications to have an opinion, right to have an opinion, metal stability, etc. etc. etc.
:mob::mob: :mob::mob:
:mad::realcrazy:

Wouldn't it be great if we could offer up our experience and information and not get personal about it...
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Well, might i ask for myself, and the rest of us.
What did you decide to do?
 
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my68barracuda said:
and me , just a Professional Engineer with over 42 years experience in automotive casting-machining, engine assembly and engine test.
Also did I mention, ASQ Certified Quality Auditor and Six Sigma Black Belt certifications.
I think I know a little about: parts, problem identification and problem resolution.
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One thing not considered by all the geniuses using this loctite is: since the OP stated the race is tight going in and becomes loose when seated. How would you get a uniform coat while holding the race centered. Stand it up and it flows to one side. Lay it down which would be how you would install the race and it flows out the back while installing.

I guess if your a black belt you could Karate chop it in there. LMFAO. I don't care how many belts you have . And your engineering degree must have been mail ordered. Put that in your Crack pipe and smoke it. Richard Cranium
 
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my68barracuda said:
and me , just a Professional Engineer with over 42 years experience in automotive casting-machining, engine assembly and engine test.
Also did I mention, ASQ Certified Quality Auditor and Six Sigma Black Belt certifications.
I think I know a little about: parts, problem identification and problem resolution.
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Matters not. Never needed any certifications. Worked in quality and the shop getting my degree. Got invited to work on some of the coolest stuff in the world. Busy all my life up to today by former employers, who I still help out. Only used your loctite in one design, where there was no room to do it right. Worked ok in that application. I know a little about: parts, problem identification and problem resolution, and what I want the next guy, doing maintenance, to put up with next time. I did that for a few years before going into design. Are you going to etch that you used loctite to set the race in that hub, or just let him find out the hard way. No I would not use loctite, I like the way the Chrysler designed it.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
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That’s there because some fools will use the product for something wasn’t designed for. And when it fails they get an ambulance chasing lawyer.

It’s not there because the product doesn’t work.
 
str12-340 said:
This seemed like such a simple question. I did get enough information to figure out what to do.

Now we have 2 factions that don't agree on a solution, but that's not enough, no they have to be disagreeable about it. Question each other's qualifications to have an opinion, right to have an opinion, metal stability, etc. etc. etc.
:mob::mob: :mob::mob:
:mad::realcrazy:

Wouldn't it be great if we could offer up our experience and information and not get personal about it...
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As a team, we should be giving pros and cons to a solution to your question. There are well meaning thoughtful responses covering a few different angles. People forget that it is your part and your solution, with the time, money, and tools at your disposal. You get to pick what you think will work best for you.
 
66fs said:
Matters not. Never needed any certifications. Worked in quality and the shop getting my degree. Got invited to work on some of the coolest stuff in the world. Busy all my life up to today by former employers, who I still help out. Only used your loctite in one design, where there was no room to do it right. Worked ok in that application. I know a little about: parts, problem identification and problem resolution, and what I want the next guy, doing maintenance, to put up with next time. I did that for a few years before going into design. Are you going to etch that you used loctite to set the race in that hub, or just let him find out the hard way. No I would not use loctite, I like the way the Chrysler designed it.
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It is interesting that some argue that Loctite 660 is not appropriate to use to hold a wheel bearing race in place because it will never hold up, and others argue that it is inappropriate to use as an unknowing person would never be able to get the race back out.
Concerning the never being able to be the race out, if I was in the position of not being able to get a race out, I would be going to one of two common solutions:
1) generally heating the area around the retainer which causes the metal to expand and the race to become free, in this case a temp above 500 would release the Loctite.
2) Hitting the race with a MIG, that causes the race to expand and crack. And in this case the heat put into the race would also release the Loctite.

So no special notes or instructions would be needed as the escalating repair procedures that should be used address the issue.
 
66fs said:
As a team, we should be giving pros and cons to a solution to your question. There are well meaning thoughtful responses covering a few different angles. People forget that it is your part and your solution, with the time, money, and tools at your disposal. You get to pick what you think will work best for you.
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Correct. However, as usual, it becomes a dick measuring contest. That's why I'm stayin outta that part. Mine's bigger than everybody's and I don't wanna embarrass anyone.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
I guess if your a black belt pussy you could Karate chop it in there. LMFAO. I don't care how many belts you have . Bragging how tuff you are only shows how much of an a$$hole you are. You will never be faster then a Superman" When I received my CCW I became superman. That bruce lee **** doesn't hold up to the 2nd amendment. And your engineering degree must have been mail ordered. Put that in your Crack pipe and smoke it. Richard Cranium
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Might want to use Google to your advantage before replying.

Six sigma black belt is a quality certification, not karate.

Six Sigma - Wikipedia
 
str12-340 said:
I'm trying to arrange purchase of another hub from a member here.
Once I do that I will probably try to find someone who can machine and sleeve the bad one so I have a spare.
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Maybe if you schmooz a little, he will press in a couple of races for you?
 
I look at it this way.....If you were going to buy a used hub, which would your rather buy? A stock used hub still in specs, or, one that's had a spun race and has a new race Locktited in. To me it's a no-brainer. Not saying you can't repair something and make it work. Goodness knows I've jury-rigged all kinds of things to get them working again, but, those were just emergency repairs and not meant to be a permanent fix. Factor in the cost of the repair, the need or not for a quick fix, and your long term plans for the vehicle and make a choice. There's really no wrong answer here if your choice meets your goals.
 
66fs said:
Sad, but all too true. Not sure how you do as much as you do.
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I've been sucked into it a lot in the past, but I'm trying real hard now not to. It's really classless especially when we have so much good info to be shared. What's so great is, no two people have the same experience and no two do things the same. We should respect that, instead of throwing it in the garbage.
 
Dana67Dart said:
Might want to use Google to your advantage before replying.

Six sigma black belt is a quality certification, not karate.

Six Sigma - Wikipedia
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I don't care , Sounded like he thinks he's a tough guy anyway. Maybe I gave him something to come back at me with. I have nothing better to do then to read BS. and give it back. If they think filling a gap on a outside race is better then sleeving the part . They have a gap between their ears. I know guys that went to school for a trade and they are dumber then a bag of rocks. Training doesn't mean you learned anything. What it could mean is that you kissed *** to pass.

I never got schooling what I know I learned from experience and I screwed a lot of **** up and still learn something everyday.
 
Oldmanmopar said:
I don't care , Sounded like he thinks he's a tough guy anyway. Maybe I gave him something to come back at me with. I have nothing better to do then to read BS. and give it back. If they think filling a gap on a outside race is better then sleeving the part . They have a gap between their ears. I know guys that went to school for a trade and they are dumber then a bag of rocks. Training doesn't mean you learned anything. What it could mean is that you kissed *** to pass.

I never got schooling what I know I learned from experience and I screwed a lot of **** up and still learn something everyday.
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So you’re wrong, been proven wrong and you still double down with the prick attitude.

You belittle anyone who calls you on your errors. You in fact never read ALL of the Locktite link posted or you purposely made it say something it didn’t.

I have personally used that Lockite product for setting races with out press fit and with press fit. I haven’t had a failure.

You bolster your lack of experience and knowledge with a prick attitude and a nasty disposition.

Say your part and then let it go.
 
Rat Bastid said:
Say your part and then let it go.
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