Slant six idles rough

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Shaun65dart

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Hey guys. 65 dart 225 slant 6 automatic on floor. Stock carrier single barrel, Petronix ignition. New plugs and wires. The engine runs well cruising rpms but at idle, it’s shaky. Compression is 130 all cylinders basically. I noticed air bubbles in the fuel filter. Could this be my cause for the shaky idle and if so, how would air bubbles even get in there?

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Sounds like it's time to adjust the valves. I take it the timing is properly set? Vacuum advance connected to ported vacuum?
I wouldn't worry about a few air bubbles in the fuel filter, as long as it's getting adequate fuel pressure. If it wasn't getting adequate fuel, it would most likely starve at speed.
 
Vacuum leak?
No vacuums leaks. Has good power. Just at idle it runs a little rough. It gets better as it warms up but once warm it still shakes some. It’s pretty bad when it’s cold and will spit some black smoke before the choke opens up but once open all the way, still a little rough
 
No vacuums leaks. Has good power. Just at idle it runs a little rough. It gets better as it warms up but once warm it still shakes some. It’s pretty bad when it’s cold and will spit some black smoke before the choke opens up but once open all the way, still a little rough
And you know this how? Have you put a vacuum gauge on it? Try partially closing the choke when it's idling rough and see if that cleans it up.
 
Using E fuel? Probably water globules because water is heavier than fuel & the water sinks to the bottom....
 
Is this a new symptom?
How low are you setting the idle, will it smooth out if you raise it slightly higher?
 
And you know this how? Have you put a vacuum gauge on it? Try partially closing the choke when it's idling rough and see if that cleans it up.
Closing the choke does not help it and makes it worse. In fact, when it’s idling rough, opening the choke helps it much more
 
Is this a new symptom?
How low are you setting the idle, will it smooth out if you raise it slightly higher?
Idle is rough really no matter where I set the rpm. Smooths out when I give it some gas though
 
Regular fuel. Just never seen bubbles like that in a filter
Depends on the RVP of the fuel, temperature, and pressure. Beginning in 1963 Chrysler mounted the filters so the outlet would let the vapor out, minimizing vapor lock.
Carburetion and Performance Diagnosis (Session 188) from the Master Technician's Service Conference

If the vapor pressure is high enough, it will force fuel in the rest of the fuel line past the needle and seat. Not generally a problem but can be occassionally.

Closing the choke does not help it and makes it worse. In fact, when it’s idling rough, opening the choke helps it much more
That's a clue worth following.
A little rich is smooth, a lot rich is rough.
Do the plugs look fouled?
 
Hey guys. 65 dart 225 slant 6 automatic on floor. Stock carrier single barrel, Petronix ignition. New plugs and wires. The engine runs well cruising rpms but at idle, it’s shaky. Compression is 130 all cylinders basically. I noticed air bubbles in the fuel filter. Could this be my cause for the shaky idle and if so, how would air bubbles even get in there?


Forget about the air bubbles in the filter that is a non-issue as regards your idle.
Is this fully warmed up at, at least 180* coolant temperature?
Is the carb correct for the year of the engine?
Does it have a PCV?
Is the choke fully off?
Does the car have power brakes?
Are there any other vacuum lines, other than the one to the distributor?
Is the exhaust stinky, as in burn-your-eyes stinky?

What happens when you turn the Idle-mixture screw in all the way?
What happens when you shift from Park to drive?
 
Forget about the air bubbles in the filter that is a non-issue as regards your idle.
Is this fully warmed up at, at least 180* coolant temperature?
Is the carb correct for the year of the engine?
Does it have a PCV?
Is the choke fully off?
Does the car have power brakes?
Are there any other vacuum lines, other than the one to the distributor?
Is the exhaust stinky, as in burn-your-eyes stinky?

What happens when you turn the Idle-mixture screw in all the way?
What happens when you shift from Park to drive?

this is fully warmed up 180 degrees
has a functional pcv
No power brakes
Carter single barrel correct for the year carb
Choke fully off
No vacuum lines to carb. Only lines are vacuum advance and pcv

when it’s cold and choke fully on, if I rev it hard it blows black smoke

once warm and choke off, no smoke or smell.

shift from park to drive drops rpm and it goes into gear. Still shaky whether cold or warmed up

turning in mixture screw all the way kills the engine and it dies
 
WHAT is the reading on a vacuum gauge? That's twice now.
 
You see that vacuum device bolted to the carb, on the left there? It is called a choke pull-off. It's job is to pull the choke open, just a little bit, as soon as the engine starts. It has to be connected to full-time manifold vacuum. How far I do not recall, but I'll guess 5/32

So lets see how this works;
With a cold engine, and not yet running
1) the flapper valve in the exhaust pipe should be closed
2) you step on the gas pedal a couple of times. This shoots raw gas into the intake, and the choke pushrod closes the choke all the way. This action causes the throttle to open, but when it closes, it is held open by the fast-idle cam. The engine is now ready to start.
3) you engage the starter. With the choke fully closed. the cranking engine should be pulling huge amounts of fuel out of the floatbowl and spewing it all into the intake, this is normal. The engine catches and begins to run.
4) because of the larger than normal throttle opening, as soon as the engine catches it will rev up. And when it does that, the choke pull-off is supposed to open the choke, to prevent flooding. Now, the closed flapper valve, is piling up hot exhaust in the log manifold. Within a minute or so, the rpms are rising too far, so you kick the gas pedal, and the throttle should fall to a slower rpm. Within about three minutes, that heat in the log, should cause the choke rod to retract and fully open the choke. That heat will also come up and heat the plenum floor under the carb in an effort to vaporize the fuel.
5) After about three minutes, if everything is working right, you can slap the gas pedal again, to put the throttle onto the curb-idle screw, and then you should be able to put it into gear and drive away.
6) that's if everything is working the way that the factory engineered it to...... over 50 years ago. And if you set the carb according to the FSM.
But 1965 is a long time ago, and at just 130 psi cranking compression, your engine is no spring-chicken. So, in all likelihood some adjustments to the factory specs may be required, but
you gotta start somewhere, so
Step #1,
start with the FSM specs.
>And start by checking the fuel-level in the bowl.
Nevermind about your new carb being new. New just means new.
>Then set the valve lash. I use .013 on the intakes, and .023 on the exhaust. Others use a lil less. I tell you what, set them to 0.013/.023 and get it running right and later you can try tighter. I set them at the garage temperature of about 68*F. Now the thing about slanty rocker arms is they are softer than the valve stems and after a few years will have ruts wore in them. So if yours have ruts, then you will have to cut your feelers to fit inside them, else your lash will go thru the roof.
> next is setting the timing. And that starts by proving TDC on your damper is still, all these years later, TDC to the #1 piston. To do this , you will need to buy or build a piston stop.

I know yur thinking that all this seems a chitload of stuff to do just to cure a "rough idle" and you would be right. If your car was in my driveway there is a good chance we wouldn't be talking about any of this. But because we are separated by hundreds of miles of space, all of us are just guessing until we have a baseline of where you are at.

If I told you to go out and blow your idle-bleed jet out, would you know what I was talking about and how to do it? If yes and yes, then go do that, and tell what happened.
If I mentioned that your emulsion tube might be plugged, would you know what to do about it? If yes, and blowing out the airbleed did nothing, then go clean your E-tube.
But if neither produces a change then go to step #1, lol.
 
Air is lighter than fuel....so air bubbles will float to the top of the filter. But the 'bubbles' are at the bottom...
So most likely water in the fuel & it has now got into the carb.
 
Ok guys I’ve done quite a few things since this post to cure the rough idle. Totally rebuilt the carb, set the float correctly, soaked, blew out, clean everything. I adjusted the valves fully warmed up, doesn’t make a sound now. Installed a brand new Petronix module, rotor, and magnetic sleeve, new plug wires, plugs are already new, new distributor cap. Verified pcv is working. It starts right up, doesn’t blow any black smoke anymore when cold, drives great going down the road. But, at idle, the engine shakes enough where you can see the hood shaking, or inside the car the seats shaking slightly. Maybe I’m just being too picky but I seem to remember on my last dart with a slant, it was buttery smooth. I guess the only thing at this point I Havnt changed in the fuel filter. I’ve tried timing at 0, 2, 5, 8, 10, 15 btdc and basically all the same. Any ideas or is a little shake from my slant totally normal?
 
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