THOUGHTS ON SLEEVING?

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Professor Fate said:
And since you're in Wisconsin too; don't forget shops that do Ag & tractor work also!
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Ag & tractor sleeves aren't anything like automotive sleeves... The bores on most Ag diesels are sleeved from the manufacturer... Automotive sleeves you need to machine the block to accept the sleeves..
 
1WildRT said:
Ag & tractor sleeves aren't anything like automotive sleeves... The bores on most Ag diesels are sleeved from the manufacturer... Automotive sleeves you need to machine the block to accept the sleeves..
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yup,..2 different things all together!!
 
CFD244 said:
Hi Folks

So here's my situation.......

I have a 340 block sitting at .030. The machine shop advises that 6 of the 8 cylinders will clean up at .040. Unfortunately, due to a little rust pitting, he advises that one cylinder will have to be sleeved, and a second cylinder may or may not need to be sleeved (won't know until boring is commenced.) I am not interested in taking it to .060.

What are your thoughts on sleeving? Go ahead, or rethink the whole shootin' match? Labour on the sleeving is $250 CDN per cylinder.

Thanks
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do it , I
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know of a 426 hemi thats had 5 and 7 sleeved for around 50 yrs !
 
CFD244 said:
Hi Folks

So here's my situation.......

I have a 340 block sitting at .030. The machine shop advises that 6 of the 8 cylinders will clean up at .040. Unfortunately, due to a little rust pitting, he advises that one cylinder will have to be sleeved, and a second cylinder may or may not need to be sleeved (won't know until boring is commenced.) I am not interested in taking it to .060.

What are your thoughts on sleeving? Go ahead, or rethink the whole shootin' match? Labour on the sleeving is $250 CDN per cylinder.

Thanks
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You're your own worst enemy if you're not interested in taking it to .060" (If sonic says :thumbsup:) for way less $$$$. J.Rob
 
Oldmanmopar said:
My son charges $30 per cylinder to bore and hone. Add $50 to the total if you want it done with torque plates. Sleeves are $100 each installed. so your total cost here would be. bore and hone $30 x 8 = $240 + 50 for torque plates + 200 for 2 sleeves = $490 for labor for the complete job. Add for pistons and sleeves of your choice.
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Does your son have a CNC for block work? Serious question. J.Rob
 
it's canada we get it up the *** on everything "free medicare costs taxes and a dollar worth less than 75 cents US
CFD244 said:
I didn't even ask. This hobby gives you an *** reaming at every corner. I just pay:thumbsup:
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LIKE THEY SAY IF YOU HAVE TO ASK GET OUT OF THE HOBBY the prices are insane in Canada
 
1WildRT said:
Ag & tractor sleeves aren't anything like automotive sleeves... The bores on most Ag diesels are sleeved from the manufacturer... Automotive sleeves you need to machine the block to accept the sleeves..
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Never said to use Ag sleeves- only to include shops that do Ag work in your search for a machinist. They can and will install whatever type sleeve is required, and often at a significantly lower cost.
 
CAT dealership I worked at, it was quite common for us to install "cylinder liner packs" all the time. Mind you we farmed out the machining if it was needed.
Professor Fate said:
Never said to use Ag sleeves- only to include shops that do Ag work in your search for a machinist. They can and will install whatever type sleeve is required, and often at a significantly lower cost.
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Professor Fate said:
Never said to use Ag sleeves- only to include shops that do Ag work in your search for a machinist. They can and will install whatever type sleeve is required, and often at a significantly lower cost.
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And I'll also add, the shop I used also had torque plates for slant 6 and sbm- which have been used in farm equipment extensively in the past.
 
Professor Fate said:
Never said to use Ag sleeves- only to include shops that do Ag work in your search for a machinist. They can and will install whatever type sleeve is required, and often at a significantly lower cost.
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Why would it be at a significantly lower cost? The same amount of machining is required no matter if its for a tractor or a road vehicle. I think you're mistaking a wet sleeve/and or a dry sleeve with a flange designed for a counterbore in the deck, both of which are common in the AG industry. The hardest part about both of those is the removal and that ain't all that difficult. The install is either lube up the O-rings on a wet and or freeze the dry sleeves and drive em in. In a block that NEVER had a removeable sleeve in the first place involves--Boring the block for proper interference fit/roughing the sleeve to length/machining a squared up step(counterbore for sleeve to sit on)/installing sleeve/boring sleeve/machining protruding sleeve and/or decking block/ and final honing/chamfering---Takes ALOT longer than anything in AG world. I'd like to know where the cost savings come in. J.Rob
 
RAMM said:
Why would it be at a significantly lower cost? The same amount of machining is required no matter if its for a tractor or a road vehicle. I think you're mistaking a wet sleeve/and or a dry sleeve with a flange designed for a counterbore in the deck, both of which are common in the AG industry. The hardest part about both of those is the removal and that ain't all that difficult. The install is either lube up the O-rings on a wet and or freeze the dry sleeves and drive em in. In a block that NEVER had a removeable sleeve in the first place involves--Boring the block for proper interference fit/roughing the sleeve to length/machining a squared up step(counterbore for sleeve to sit on)/installing sleeve/boring sleeve/machining protruding sleeve and/or decking block/ and final honing/chamfering---Takes ALOT longer than anything in AG world. I'd like to know where the cost savings come in. J.Rob
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The cost savings come in because the industry is seasonal- if you can wait for winter they sometimes cut you a deal on other jobs to keep the shop busy.
I'm not here to start a pissing match, only to suggest another source of services. I am well aware of the difference in sleeves and their installation, and so are they. To insinuate that these guys are Johnny One Shots who just push sleeves into Deutz diesels all day long is an insult to everyone involved. NOBODY in this thread has suggested using AG sleeves in the first place, the only suggestion was to consider AG shops when you are looking to get work done. Some of these guys are the driving force behind some of the most incredible truck/tractor pullers on the planet, and to suggest that they aren't aware of the particulars of their craft is just a testament to other's thickheadedness.
Jeez, nobody bitches when someone says to take your springs to a truck shop to have your springs re-arched... but, trucks are different... those guys don't know spring rates for handling... yadda yadda yadda.
 
Professor Fate said:
The cost savings come in because the industry is seasonal- if you can wait for winter they sometimes cut you a deal on other jobs to keep the shop busy.
I'm not here to start a pissing match, only to suggest another source of services. I am well aware of the difference in sleeves and their installation, and so are they. To insinuate that these guys are Johnny One Shots who just push sleeves into Deutz diesels all day long is an insult to everyone involved. NOBODY in this thread has suggested using AG sleeves in the first place, the only suggestion was to consider AG shops when you are looking to get work done. Some of these guys are the driving force behind some of the most incredible truck/tractor pullers on the planet, and to suggest that they aren't aware of the particulars of their craft is just a testament to other's thickheadedness.
Jeez, nobody bitches when someone says to take your springs to a truck shop to have your springs re-arched... but, trucks are different... those guys don't know spring rates for handling... yadda yadda yadda.
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First of all, I've worked in shops that AG work was the primary demographic. Second of all I never said anything about using AG sleeves themselves. Third of all I never insinuated AG shops "push sleeves into Deutz (shitty air cooled junk IMO) diesels all day long" What I did do was question how much you knew about the process--clearly you are aware.

The shops I worked in didn't have an hourly rate that varied with the weather/season. Now if you find somebody that picked up an old boring bar at an auction AND knows how to use it--maybe just maybe you could find a unicorn with a quality/cheap job. I don't play the lottery however so I don't believe in unicorns. J.Rob
 
I got a quote on a 4 banger, with 1 sleeve installed and all 4 bored +.75 (.030) $300, just the sleeve and it finish bored back to STD, $150. The sleeve is $28 alone. FSM says main caps need to be torqued before boring, logical. Industrial stuff had stepped liners that could be replaced with minimal machine work.
 
i've got my 69 gts 340 done after the owner put to long of a bolt in the waterpump mounting , it cracked number 2 cylinder and the coolant filled the crankcase . no issues . saved my number matching car .
 
Oldmanmopar said:
My son charges $30 per cylinder to bore and hone. Add $50 to the total if you want it done with torque plates. Sleeves are $100 each installed. so your total cost here would be. bore and hone $30 x 8 = $240 + 50 for torque plates + 200 for 2 sleeves = $490 for labor for the complete job. Add for pistons and sleeves of your choice.
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Tell me how to get to your sons place I have two Hemi blocks to do.
 
SK machine. He is on this site just call out to him he will PM you or call you. I will not give his user name. But he is on here everyday.
 
CFD244 said:
Hi Folks

So here's my situation.......

I have a 340 block sitting at .030. The machine shop advises that 6 of the 8 cylinders will clean up at .040. Unfortunately, due to a little rust pitting, he advises that one cylinder will have to be sleeved, and a second cylinder may or may not need to be sleeved (won't know until boring is commenced.) I am not interested in taking it to .060.

What are your thoughts on sleeving? Go ahead, or rethink the whole shootin' match? Labour on the sleeving is $250 CDN per cylinder.

Thanks
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if its a shot that has experience on that go ahead, it should work just fine.
 
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