F#%k Me!

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Economies of scale .
Chevy made 69,000 Chevelle SS in 1969 !
Dodge sold around 14,000 340 Darts in 1969.
 
Yeah, I wouldn`t kick a 66, 396 SS Chevelle out of my driveway if reasonably priced.

I would for an El Camino or Ranchero. Seriously, WTF Mopar? They made Dart and Valiant wagons, why not trucks too? :BangHead:
 
I said a couple of months ago how much more money it cost to do anything with a mopar and I was pretty much told that I didn't know what I was talking about, then someone else mentioned it and everyone agrees with him. I'm not sure why mopars have always been more expensive than the other 2. Maybe because GM had a bigger selection of small block power offerings than what mopar did. In the '70's G.M had the 375 hp 327, and some pretty stout 350's too. I know that mopar had the mighty 340 and the 340 6 pack. But G.M. had 365 h.p 350. Not from personal experience but friends of mine said that G.M. had the best flowing factory heads ie double hump cylinder heads. From 1970 till about 1977 the 318 wasn't offered with a 4 barrel, I'm not talking about the trucks or vans and the police package vehicle's were not available to the general public when they were new. The 360 didn't have a 4 barrel either until 1974 again I'm talking about the car's only. Every G.M and Ford small block had a factory 4 barrel option for their small blocks this making them more popular with the car guy.
 
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Questions for all of the mopar guys on here. How many mopar small blocks came with a solid lifter cam and 2.02" intake valve's from the factory? I like mopars too, but I have to admit that both G.M and Ford had more performance options for their small blocks than mopar had. I'm not talking about swapping parts from engine to engine I'm talking about off the show room floor. Just think how it might have been if you could've got that new dart or duster with a 318 4 barrel.
 
Questions for all of the mopar guys on here. How many mopar small blocks came with a solid lifter cam and 2.02" intake valve's from the factory? I like mopars too, but I have to admit that both G.M and Ford had more performance options for their small blocks than mopar had. I'm not talking about swapping parts from engine to engine I'm talking about off the show room floor. Just think how it might have been if you could've got that new dart or duster with a 318 4 barrel.
Zero.
 
:mad:I agree with all of you guys. Just kinda hurts when ya look at the cheap ford and Chevy parts. Love my car, but I’d love it if it was a bit easier on my wallet

Having done a frame off restomod on a 66 Chebby I can tell you that alot of the components are definitely cheaper... And alot of the components are in the range of Mother Mopar.

But an example of something on a 66 Chevelle that you won't rob the bank on is the Heat/AC controls for the dash. It's pot metal and I sent mine off to the supposedly great re-chrome shop in Tennessee and it came back like crap. They said oh well. And when a nice one came up on Ebay it was not cheap.

But you are dealing with a car in the hobby world that will never get the popularity like the GM's and Fords. If you want to get a taste of something that hits your pocket that's not Mopar go try and restore an 87 G Body Buick (Grand National.) Ouch lol...

JW
 
No matter what car show, swap meet, cars&coffee, get together you go to, there is a sea of chevy and ford. It’s all the same. Camaro’s, chevelle’s, mustangs, Tri 5’s, small block chevy this, ls swapped that. It’s very numbing, quite boring.
My eyes light up when I see anything Mopar related.
 
Questions for all of the mopar guys on here. How many mopar small blocks came with a solid lifter cam and 2.02" intake valve's from the factory? I like mopars too, but I have to admit that both G.M and Ford had more performance options for their small blocks than mopar had. I'm not talking about swapping parts from engine to engine I'm talking about off the show room floor. Just think how it might have been if you could've got that new dart or duster with a 318 4 barrel.
When your big blocks dominate, your small blocks may almost be an afterthought. Even so, Chrysler did pretty well with the 273 and 340. The 340 was drastically underrated, and Chevy small blocks were notoriously overrated. And the last year of the 327 was 1968.
 
When your big blocks dominate, your small blocks may almost be an afterthought. Even so, Chrysler did pretty well with the 273 and 340. The 340 was drastically underrated, and Chevy small blocks were notoriously overrated. And the last year of the 327 was 1968.
I agree with what you're saying, but don't you think that it would have made a difference in the popularity of mopars if you could've bought that new dart or duster with a 4 barrel optioned 318? I'm no mopar expert here, but wasn't the 340 a option on the duster, ie wasn't the 6 cylinder and the 318 pretty much the dominant engine in the dart and duster?
 
When your big blocks dominate, your small blocks may almost be an afterthought. Even so, Chrysler did pretty well with the 273 and 340. The 340 was drastically underrated, and Chevy small blocks were notoriously overrated. And the last year of the 327 was 1968.

Pretty sure I had a 1970 Chevy truck with a 327 .
 
I agree with what you're saying, but don't you think that it would have made a difference in the popularity of mopars if you could've bought that new dart or duster with a 4 barrel optioned 318? I'm no mopar expert here, but wasn't the 340 a option on the duster, ie wasn't the 6 cylinder and the 318 pretty much the dominant engine in the dart and duster?
I don't know. There were many performance engines in A-Bodies from Hyper pack sixes to 273s, 340s, 360s, 383s, 440s and Hemis. How many more do you need? When the 318 was a performance engine the real big guns were gone. 340, 440, etc.
Also, Chrysler was aware of cutting their own throat. Would a 4bbl 318, which would cost less, cut into 340 sales? Without a doubt it would. So why spend more to produce another engine that will lower revenue?
I think they hit the sweet spot with the 340 Darts Dusters and Demons, and they sold a lot of them. I'm pretty sure whatever form of cost/benefit analysis they did said to leave the 318 as is.
 
Pretty sure I had a 1970 Chevy truck with a 327 .
Could be. We had a '72 with a 307, and I know the 283 and 327 were dead and buried by then. The point was the last hipo 327s were gone before 1970.
 
My eyes light up when I see anything Mopar related.
I used to feel that way but in a way..... with the experience I have with a lot of mopars guys, makes me hope I'm the only mopar there.

The attitude and the way mopar guys look down on what they think is beneath their car makes the corvette crowd more appealing than the mopar crowd.
 
I don't know. There were many performance engines in A-Bodies from Hyper pack sixes to 273s, 340s, 360s, 383s, 440s and Hemis. How many more do you need? When the 318 was a performance engine the real big guns were gone. 340, 440, etc.
Also, Chrysler was aware of cutting their own throat. Would a 4bbl 318, which would cost less, cut into 340 sales? Without a doubt it would. So why spend more to produce another engine that will lower revenue?
I think they hit the sweet spot with the 340 Darts Dusters and Demons, and they sold a lot of them. I'm pretty sure whatever form of cost/benefit analysis they did said to leave the 318 as is.
I'm talking about the small blocks only and the 360 wasn't available with a 4 barrel until 1974. The 273 was done in like 1967, so actually mopar only had one performance engine from 1968 - 1973 and that was the 340. I think that if the 318 had been offered with a 4 barrel in the dart and duster that mopar would have been better off
 
I don't know. There were many performance engines in A-Bodies from Hyper pack sixes to 273s, 340s, 360s, 383s, 440s and Hemis. How many more do you need? When the 318 was a performance engine the real big guns were gone. 340, 440, etc.
Also, Chrysler was aware of cutting their own throat. Would a 4bbl 318, which would cost less, cut into 340 sales? Without a doubt it would. So why spend more to produce another engine that will lower revenue?
I think they hit the sweet spot with the 340 Darts Dusters and Demons, and they sold a lot of them. I'm pretty sure whatever form of cost/benefit analysis they did said to leave the 318 as is.
The 440 and the hemi was a very limited edition for the A body. A 318 4 barrel may have cut into the 340 sales. I don't know how many 340 cars were sold but I wouldn't be surprised if the 318 out sold it. Either way I like my mopars.
 
The 440 and the hemi was a very limited edition for the A body. A 318 4 barrel may have cut into the 340 sales. I don't know how many 340 cars were sold but I wouldn't be surprised if the 318 out sold it. Either way I like my mopars.
A 4bbl 318 is the answer to the question nobody asked.
In 1968-69, the years of the Hurst Hemi Super Stocks are 440 M Code cars, there were six other engines available on Darts. That was probably too many as the big blocks went away for 1970. Yes, the 318s outsold the 340. So they should spend money engineering a new 4bbl 318 to make less money on each than a 340? Day one of business school they teach don't cut your own throat, which is exactly what the 318 4bbl would have done. I mean we're talking about adding an 8th engine to the entry level lineup of economy cars to lower revenue.
 
I wouldn't mind having a 1970 LS6 Chevelle with a new interior.:D
 
I used to feel that way but in a way..... with the experience I have with a lot of mopars guys, makes me hope I'm the only mopar there.

The attitude and the way mopar guys look down on what they think is beneath their car makes the corvette crowd more appealing than the mopar crowd.

It's human nature. Tribalism is part of who we are and it is necessary in a cooperative species. Even crows and ravens do it, then there is Lions vs Hyenas vs Leopards. Look at how siblings fight, but as soon as an outsider enters the picture, they stand together.

Unless... Unless it's Fredo...





 
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I used to feel that way but in a way..... with the experience I have with a lot of mopars guys, makes me hope I'm the only mopar there.

The attitude and the way mopar guys look down on what they think is beneath their car makes the corvette crowd more appealing than the mopar crowd.
Yup and the bullshit spouted in this thread confirms that.

Anyone whose ever pulled beside a real 1970 LT1 Corvette or Camaro with a 4 speed and 4.11 gears will tell you if they're honest, they either lost to it, or it took every stinkin thing they had to beat it.

Now watch all the storytellers jump at the chance to tell me how many they outran. The LT1 I'm talking about was 370HP and 380LBFT and they were hardly over rated. That's more bullshit from somebody that probably barely beat a 300HP powerglide Camaro because they couldn't drive. Chevy and all the rest built some badass stuff too, it wasn't just Mopar. I still love Mopar best, but the fact is they FAR from won every race, and they were FAR from the fastest cars there, either.
 
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I wouldn't mind having a 1970 LS6 Chevelle with a new interior.:D
Well, you can obviously get a pretty good deal on the interior, so order up. Then all you gotta do is find one. LOL
 
It's human nature. Tribalism is part of who we are and it is necessary in a cooperative species. Even crows and ravens do it, then there is Lions vs Hyenas vs Jaguars. Look at how siblings fight, but as soon as an outsider enters the picture, they stand together.

Unless... Unless it's Fredo...






Fredo. What a guy! lol
 
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