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Getting ready to buy some more parts for my 70 dart stroker big block drag car, maybe later some street
I am going to buy a 26 in 2 core 1.25 tube cold case radiator.
I'm looking for a fan or fans and shroud efficient enough to cool what maybe close to mid 600 horsepower.
Let me know what you run, how you like it & anything you might think is better
Thank you all.
 
Getting ready to buy some more parts for my 70 dart stroker big block drag car, maybe later some street
I am going to buy a 26 in 2 core 1.25 tube cold case radiator.
I'm looking for a fan or fans and shroud efficient enough to cool what maybe close to mid 600 horsepower.
Let me know what you run, how you like it & anything you might think is better
Thank you all.
I have a 14'' and a 12'' elec fan, almost no time on either -----------for sale if u need ---
 
I have a triple pass crossflow Northern 24 by 19 by 3 1/8 Meziere WP and a Derale 16 inch 2 spd fan wired for hi only. Make sure your fan blades have a cage between them and the radiator. At speed my first fan contacted and broke blades and locked up. This radiator recommended 1 to 1 pulley ratio.The car runs 200 hot. Back to the pits leave the fan and waterpump on for a few minutes and cools down to 160 . Warms up to 180 in the lanes and 200 by the return road. I usually turn the fan off for the run.My fan is infront of the radiator because I don't have the room on the w/p side. Make sure you get the right style . A pusher or puller whichever is correct for you.
 
Will you be running an electric pump or mechanical? Here's some pics. 66 Valiant

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There is a thread on using the dual fan set up from a Ford Contour. It requires a bit of trimming to fit a 26" radiator. You'll need a controller for the fans too.

I will say with my Cold Case Radiator there wasn't much room between the water pump and core, 3-3/8" comes to mind. The aluminum cores are much thicker than copper cores.
 
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There is a thread on using the dual fan set u from a Ford Contour. It requires a bit of trimming to fit a 26" radiator. You'll need a controller for the fans too.

I will say with my Cold Case Radiator there wasn't much room between the water pump and core, 3-3/8" comes to mind. The aluminum cores are much thicker than copper cores.
Okay, thank you. I'll keep that in mind.
 
I have a triple pass crossflow Northern 24 by 19 by 3 1/8 Meziere WP and a Derale 16 inch 2 spd fan wired for hi only. Make sure your fan blades have a cage between them and the radiator. At speed my first fan contacted and broke blades and locked up. This radiator recommended 1 to 1 pulley ratio.The car runs 200 hot. Back to the pits leave the fan and waterpump on for a few minutes and cools down to 160 . Warms up to 180 in the lanes and 200 by the return road. I usually turn the fan off for the run.My fan is infront of the radiator because I don't have the room on the w/p side. Make sure you get the right style . A pusher or puller whichever is correct for you.
Thank you for that info, it give me some baseline of what to try while racing.
 
. Back to the pits leave the fan and waterpump on for a few minutes and cools down to 160 . Warms up to 180 in the lanes and 200 by the return road. I usually turn the fan off for the run.My fan is infront of the radiator because I don't have the room on the w/p side. Make sure you get the right style . A pusher or puller whichever is correct for you.
My 16" fan is also in front of my triple pass aluminum radiator. Everything I've read about electric fans says that pullers are more efficient than pushers.
 
The requirements for racing are going to be a little different, but for the street I would make sure that whatever fan you run is capable of at least 3,000 CFM and ideally even more than that. Try to avoid stuff that doesn't come with its own shroud already integrated, and try to stay away from shrouds that just look like a baking sheet with holes cut in them. The CFM for the fan, if it's a standalone fan that was tested without a shroud, might not be the same as the actual CFM it's capable of when it's paired up with a shroud.

I run the '95-'00 Ford Contour fans on my Duster, they fit a 26" radiator well- I only had to remove one tab on the shroud as far as modifications to the fans go. They're a dual fan, dual speed set up capable of ~3,000 CFM on the low speed and 5,000 CFM on the high speed. I run them with a Dakota Digital controller, but like any electric fan I'm sure that if you just wanted to trigger them with a plain thermostatic or even a manual switch I'm sure you could. That might be fine for racing but for a street car I'd never just run a manual switch by itself. And personally, I think as far as reasons why people have issues going to electric fans the #1 reason is picking a fan that doesn't have enough CFM (even some of the really expensive fans don't move enough air) the #2 reason is using an inadequate switching system. Being able set and change the temperatures when your fans come on and off is a big part of getting them to work with YOUR car, and simple thermostatic switches aren't good at that. The biggest advantage to electric fans are their improvement in efficiency, and that comes mostly from being able to run them only when you need to. Being able to control when you run them more accurately makes the whole system better.

I think the Contour set up is great. The fans themselves are pretty cheap, their design was factory tested to hold up to whatever warranty Ford was giving at the time which is more testing than any aftermarket company does. They have their own shroud, move a ton of air, and are pretty easy to control. The '95-2000 Ford Contour set up is only about 3.5" deep at it's deepest point, which is to the back of the motors. The rest of the shroud is about 3". With my 3 core Champion 26" radiator and the Contour fans the back of the fan motor is about 6" from the radiator support. The nice thing about a dual fan set up the motors aren't centered so the deepest part is offset from the pulley. Something else to consider when looking at a particular fan arrangement.

The install I did on my Duster is here
My "new" '74 Duster- or why I need a project like a hole in the head

I'll also attach the PDF that @goldduster318 made up when he did this install, it's what I used to wire my fans up. My Duster just has a 340 in it with a probably a bit more than 400 hp, but it's .060" over, runs 9.8:1 compression with iron heads and I have driven it in traffic in temps as high as 110°F. I've only had the high speed of the fans come on a couple of times, both were when I was driving around in town and sitting at stoplights in traffic when it was 105°F+ out.

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We have 16" electric fans on our cars. We don't run them on the street at all. My car with a 440 runs 10.7s in the 1/4. It rarely sees over 200 degrees even on a hot day and cools right now. I use the 440 source alum water pump and housing. Moroso electric motor with the large diameter gear on the motor. I run a thermostat but have the guts removed from it. On my wife's car her's has less room (1963 falcon with a 351W) we have 2 10" fans on it. We first used them as pushers and had issues cooling down. I later switched them to pullers and it made a world of difference. I think all the fans came off of eBay and are just generic cheaper ones that are supposed to pull alot of CFM.
 
We have 16" electric fans on our cars. We don't run them on the street at all. My car with a 440 runs 10.7s in the 1/4. It rarely sees over 200 degrees even on a hot day and cools right now. I use the 440 source alum water pump and housing. Moroso electric motor with the large diameter gear on the motor. I run a thermostat but have the guts removed from it. On my wife's car her's has less room (1963 falcon with a 351W) we have 2 10" fans on it. We first used them as pushers and had issues cooling down. I later switched them to pullers and it made a world of difference. I think all the fans came off of eBay and are just generic cheaper ones that are supposed to pull alot of CFM.
Thank you, that seems pretty simple.
 
The requirements for racing are going to be a little different, but for the street I would make sure that whatever fan you run is capable of at least 3,000 CFM and ideally even more than that. Try to avoid stuff that doesn't come with its own shroud already integrated, and try to stay away from shrouds that just look like a baking sheet with holes cut in them. The CFM for the fan, if it's a standalone fan that was tested without a shroud, might not be the same as the actual CFM it's capable of when it's paired up with a shroud.

I run the '95-'00 Ford Contour fans on my Duster, they fit a 26" radiator well- I only had to remove one tab on the shroud as far as modifications to the fans go. They're a dual fan, dual speed set up capable of ~3,000 CFM on the low speed and 5,000 CFM on the high speed. I run them with a Dakota Digital controller, but like any electric fan I'm sure that if you just wanted to trigger them with a plain thermostatic or even a manual switch I'm sure you could. That might be fine for racing but for a street car I'd never just run a manual switch by itself. And personally, I think as far as reasons why people have issues going to electric fans the #1 reason is picking a fan that doesn't have enough CFM (even some of the really expensive fans don't move enough air) the #2 reason is using an inadequate switching system. Being able set and change the temperatures when your fans come on and off is a big part of getting them to work with YOUR car, and simple thermostatic switches aren't good at that. The biggest advantage to electric fans are their improvement in efficiency, and that comes mostly from being able to run them only when you need to. Being able to control when you run them more accurately makes the whole system better.

I think the Contour set up is great. The fans themselves are pretty cheap, their design was factory tested to hold up to whatever warranty Ford was giving at the time which is more testing than any aftermarket company does. They have their own shroud, move a ton of air, and are pretty easy to control. The '95-2000 Ford Contour set up is only about 3.5" deep at it's deepest point, which is to the back of the motors. The rest of the shroud is about 3". With my 3 core Champion 26" radiator and the Contour fans the back of the fan motor is about 6" from the radiator support. The nice thing about a dual fan set up the motors aren't centered so the deepest part is offset from the pulley. Something else to consider when looking at a particular fan arrangement.

The install I did on my Duster is here
My "new" '74 Duster- or why I need a project like a hole in the head

I'll also attach the PDF that @goldduster318 made up when he did this install, it's what I used to wire my fans up. My Duster just has a 340 in it with a probably a bit more than 400 hp, but it's .060" over, runs 9.8:1 compression with iron heads and I have driven it in traffic in temps as high as 110°F. I've only had the high speed of the fans come on a couple of times, both were when I was driving around in town and sitting at stoplights in traffic when it was 105°F+ out.

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Thank you for a very thorough reply, I will check out the thread too.
 
I'm glad to know I can pretty much save the $500.00 plus on a fancy pump, since you guys run factory style pumps.
Thanks you guys.
 
The requirements for racing are going to be a little different, but for the street I would make sure that whatever fan you run is capable of at least 3,000 CFM and ideally even more than that. Try to avoid stuff that doesn't come with its own shroud already integrated, and try to stay away from shrouds that just look like a baking sheet with holes cut in them. The CFM for the fan, if it's a standalone fan that was tested without a shroud, might not be the same as the actual CFM it's capable of when it's paired up with a shroud.

I run the '95-'00 Ford Contour fans on my Duster, they fit a 26" radiator well- I only had to remove one tab on the shroud as far as modifications to the fans go. They're a dual fan, dual speed set up capable of ~3,000 CFM on the low speed and 5,000 CFM on the high speed. I run them with a Dakota Digital controller, but like any electric fan I'm sure that if you just wanted to trigger them with a plain thermostatic or even a manual switch I'm sure you could. That might be fine for racing but for a street car I'd never just run a manual switch by itself. And personally, I think as far as reasons why people have issues going to electric fans the #1 reason is picking a fan that doesn't have enough CFM (even some of the really expensive fans don't move enough air) the #2 reason is using an inadequate switching system. Being able set and change the temperatures when your fans come on and off is a big part of getting them to work with YOUR car, and simple thermostatic switches aren't good at that. The biggest advantage to electric fans are their improvement in efficiency, and that comes mostly from being able to run them only when you need to. Being able to control when you run them more accurately makes the whole system better.

I think the Contour set up is great. The fans themselves are pretty cheap, their design was factory tested to hold up to whatever warranty Ford was giving at the time which is more testing than any aftermarket company does. They have their own shroud, move a ton of air, and are pretty easy to control. The '95-2000 Ford Contour set up is only about 3.5" deep at it's deepest point, which is to the back of the motors. The rest of the shroud is about 3". With my 3 core Champion 26" radiator and the Contour fans the back of the fan motor is about 6" from the radiator support. The nice thing about a dual fan set up the motors aren't centered so the deepest part is offset from the pulley. Something else to consider when looking at a particular fan arrangement.

The install I did on my Duster is here
My "new" '74 Duster- or why I need a project like a hole in the head

I'll also attach the PDF that @goldduster318 made up when he did this install, it's what I used to wire my fans up. My Duster just has a 340 in it with a probably a bit more than 400 hp, but it's .060" over, runs 9.8:1 compression with iron heads and I have driven it in traffic in temps as high as 110°F. I've only had the high speed of the fans come on a couple of times, both were when I was driving around in town and sitting at stoplights in traffic when it was 105°F+ out.

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Are you getting them out of a wrecking yard or are you buying something aftermarket? I’m more than leery of aftermarket **** that says it’s replacement but it’s never as good as OE stuff.
 
Are you getting them out of a wrecking yard or are you buying something aftermarket? I’m more than leery of aftermarket **** that says it’s replacement but it’s never as good as OE stuff.

The one that's been running in my Duster for the last 8 years is just a Dorman replacement Dorman 620-104 Dorman Electric Fans | Summit Racing

I did grab one out of a wrecking yard, that was where I got the harness and everything for mine. I'd heard the original motors were made by Bosch, so I grabbed the whole thing even though part of the shroud was busted so I'd have spare motors if I needed them. I haven't needed them.

The only problem I see in getting them out of the yard is this- you practically have to pull half the front end off to get them out of a complete Ford Contour. It's why the shroud on mine was broken, someone else had already tried and gave up. It's why that fan had to be so awesome to begin with, those Contours are packed solid wall-to-wall in the engine bay, and they have a tiny little grille opening. Also, that particular fan only came on the V6 cars, so not every '95-00 Contour has one. Not sure what the production percentage was but I know when I was looking for one in the yards there were plenty of non-V6 cars that are no help.
 
By the looks of yours, I think I may run the meziere remote water pump. Is there a special w/p housing I'd need or ? I realize your pump is on the engine plate but maybe you know.
The pump is a complete bolt on a BB assembly.
 
The one that's been running in my Duster for the last 8 years is just a Dorman replacement Dorman 620-104 Dorman Electric Fans | Summit Racing

I did grab one out of a wrecking yard, that was where I got the harness and everything for mine. I'd heard the original motors were made by Bosch, so I grabbed the whole thing even though part of the shroud was busted so I'd have spare motors if I needed them. I haven't needed them.

The only problem I see in getting them out of the yard is this- you practically have to pull half the front end off to get them out of a complete Ford Contour. It's why the shroud on mine was broken, someone else had already tried and gave up. It's why that fan had to be so awesome to begin with, those Contours are packed solid wall-to-wall in the engine bay, and they have a tiny little grille opening. Also, that particular fan only came on the V6 cars, so not every '95-00 Contour has one. Not sure what the production percentage was but I know when I was looking for one in the yards there were plenty of non-V6 cars that are no help.
Cool I was looking at the svt fan, it states 31 inches across so I guess that's too big.
Wait I take that back. It will work. You said you had to do a little trimming.
Thanks 72bluNblu
 
Are you getting them out of a wrecking yard or are you buying something aftermarket? I’m more than leery of aftermarket **** that says it’s replacement but it’s never as good as OE stuff.
At the price of the fan $141.00 I'm willing to pay that over taking apart a junker in a junkyard in our particular heat here.
 
Cool I was looking at the svt fan, it states 31 inches across so I guess that's too big.
Wait I take that back. It will work. You said you had to do a little trimming.
Thanks 72bluNblu

Yeah I don't think 31" across is going to work at all. The Contour radiator is a 26" core just like the 26" mopar radiator. The only thing that's wider is the mounting tabs, so unless the 31" measurement includes those I'd say the SVT fan won't work.

The "trimming" on the Contour fan amounts to removing a single mounting tab on top, it's a very minor trim. Everything else was completely untouched.
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Yeah I don't think 31" across is going to work at all. The Contour radiator is a 26" core just like the 26" mopar radiator. The only thing that's wider is the mounting tabs, so unless the 31" measurement includes those I'd say the SVT fan won't work.

The "trimming" on the Contour fan amounts to removing a single mounting tab on top, it's a very minor trim. Everything else was completely untouched.
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Okay, thanks. I'll be buying the one you posted.
And for wiring is that something easily found as well? I have a pea brain when it comes to wiring & probably other things too lol
 
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I'm glad to know I can pretty much save the $500.00 plus on a fancy pump, since you guys run factory style pumps.
Thanks you guys.

if you need a pump, I have an alum. pump w/ only about 20 hrs on it , doesnt lesk , the hi $ fan I replaced it with didnt help any .
I have a total combination that works well w/ a mech. clutch driven fan .
 
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