I need schooling - old vs. new engines

go-fish said
The LA has less than optimal 59* lifters. The intake ports are tiny. No coil on plug. Computer controlled engine management.

I've posted some of these advantages and while I am the one that really twisted Mr. Bastard's labia I did, in my very next post after saying it, retract the "shortfalls" statement I made about the LA. I love the LA but the things in the quote above are areas where the 3G Hemi improved on the LA's design.

Mr. Bastard will get no direct response from me and I don't even think he's looking at my posts anymore but I just can't converse with someone who asks questions yet are not remotely interested in what the other person's viewpoint is and is not willing to have their mind changed. EVEN IF this person thinks there is no way in Hell they can have their mind changed civil discourse REQUIRES open minded conversation.

When I get into political or religious conversations with my friends I genuinely listen and they listen to me. A memorable experience was a conversation with a friend's mom. She is staunchly side A and I am side B. I knew that engaging in conversation to change her mind was futile. We talked for about 2 hours, sharing ideas, and listening. Neither of us changed our mind but at the end of the evening we thanked each other for the conversation and both agreed that it was a great time talking and listening.

I think Mr. Bastard said I needed to "grow up" and answer the questions he posed to me (in which he has no desire of actually considering), demanding that I engage further. A childish action. Well, I have no interest and simply had to say, "Fine, you're right. The LA is superior." just to end my interaction. Yet, he doesn't want to accept that either and I get a X. This guy is a control freak. Probably somewhat of a lonely fella too because he seems to really enjoy spinning the same yarn with myself, DionR, MopaR&D, AAndrews, and others. Poor guy.

To be as cordial as possible as this is a forum for discussion, I will give Mr Bastid his due. He is talking about engines only, not assembled packages that have been tested . He is correct that Gen 3 hemi blocks and cylinder heads alone using mechanical based carburation systems and none of the engine management electronics won't outperform the wedge motors especially using the W-series heads. Also, the older Gen 2 Hemi's were troublesome, needing plenty of tuning to stay running properly.

But, as the rest of us commented here, when you put together a "package' using the G-3 engine , associated fuel management and ignition systems that are computer controlled, and put it in a plug and play package its unbeatable. No La, BB or Rb engine in its "as produced' format will come close to a Gen 3 for driveability , fuel economy and, in the case of the HellCrate, raw power.

Here's my 408 Magnum . balanced , blueprinted, professional build 517hp at the crank.

Approximate cost $30,000,00

Here's a 2017 Hellcat engine and transmission, approx 830 HP.

$14,000 US.

Guess where I should have invested my money!