Yeah, the TTI's are well out of my price range. I've fought with lots of different headers and got them in but they didn't look as good as when I started, lol. It might be my imagination but the Patriots seemed a bit heavier duty than some of the cheaper ones I've put on. Either way, I agree with you that a lot these headers are copycats and that part just sucks because they'll never improve on the design in my humble opinion.i was just trying to put the information out there.. i kept hearing patriot headers and thought they were something new. just want people to know they are just another name making the same old hang low design. that being the case shop for any of the cheap hang low headers and maybe find a set on sale and go with the cheapest ones ya can find.