By ultimate I mean take a set of trick flows there’s a combo where you can’t get anymore real power out of them, it’s basically the best you can do, what is that who knows, so every other combo is only making a percentage of the available power. Can a well science out 302 head build be made to compete with some of the lesser than trick flow engines sure if that what floats your boat, but half decent trick flow engine generally gonna smoke ya with a lot less effort put into their combo.