Minivan Time fellas

No one beats Toyota engineering, and they're more domestic than anything built by Fiat. The issues with Toyotas I've dealt with have always been so minor that they don't warrant worry. The only issue is they tend to be the blandest design and high prices compared to the rest. I'm not a huge fan of Honda, they tend to over complicate then cut the budget for the components.

Everything Chrysler/fiats/stellantis are nothing by electrical gremlins based on all the issues friends and family have had with their nav-entertainment-console distraction devices which also render the cars immobile when they fail. I've seen no less than a dozen hellcats, 392s, rams, etc in the hands of close family and acquaintances that were total garbage. More time spent at the dealer waiting for parts than on the road. They're all driving tundras, audis, and Porsche now and those are going 10x longer between services - says a lot.

Of the dozen different vans I've been in over the past 5 years, the dodges always felt the cheapest, had the most rattles, and are the loudest inside. They also handle like a shopping cart and have the cheapest feeling doors and switchgear. But I will say the Chrysler dashes and control layouts are better. Too bad they fail and fall apart regularly. There's a reason the newer Chrysler products are the cheapest of the competition.

I don't lay attention to Kia. Their dealers and service departments have the same feel as a boost mobile, and the same exact pool of employees I think.

Rented a Sienna for a weekend and didn't want to give it back. If I didn't have to contend with so much ice on my road and driveway in winter (even studded tires slide), I'd buy one today and we have no kids.. It was just awesome. Vans beat suvs in the utility dept hands down.