figuring out advance timing

Well this where the ignorance sets in. If the engine liked 25/35 at idle, it will be making more HP [ because idle speed went UP ] at idle. The rpm will increase, the idle speed can theeeeeeen be lowered to a value [ often lower than it was idling with 12* initial ] to provide a better idle with more vacuum. The trans can now be put into gear at a lower rpm...& with less rpm drop. Vacuum is an indicator of idle engine efficiency at low rpms. Every wonder why that big cam will not idle under 1100 rpm......but the factory cam idles at 600 rpm....& with more vacuum?????
Increasing timing at idle from the nominal 12* increases vacuum.
Many GM cars had MVA from the factory & had well over 20* at idle with stock cams. My GTO left the showroom with 26* at idle & cam that had under 200* @ 050 on the intake.
Chrysler missed the boat.
Read this & learn:

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Yup, a Pontiac and a chrysler take the same timing curves.

Not.

If you have to Jack that much timing into the engine to get it to idle you have a piss poor engine build, piss poor combustion chambers or both.