Yeah last set of ttis I bought was 780 bucks ..and raw. I sprayed them with brake clean and painted them a couple coats ran a torch over it I don't think any of the paint really stayed on LOL so I just hit it up here and there to keep the surface rust at bay. They'll last long enough is how I see it. I've had those shitty ground dragging headers 'which work better than manifolds I'm not bashing them power wise' but I've had them last well over a decade I've seen them last 20-30 years on other cars.