Why Carb and non OD a Gen 3?

I've been on the OD bandwagon from pretty early on. The very first time I put my Duster back on the road in '93 or so, it had an A833OD. Truthfully, it was at least in part to that was the trans I found that I could afford. But at the time, it wasn't unusual to drive from Colville to Spokane and the Duster was a driver, not a show car, so I found myself really happy to have the OD gear. Since then, as long as I have owned the car, it has had an A833OD in it. I've never even entertained looking for a standard 4 speed. I certainly want better ratio splits, but refuse to look at options that don't include an OD gear.

And to be clear, my Duster still isn't a show car. While it is cleaner now than then, and I do take it to shows once in a while, its primary purpose to me is to drive it. Tarmac moving under me is gold.

My cousin was visiting the area from overseas last week and was staying in Charlotte. He wanted to try some Southern BBQ so we met about halfway in Columbia, SC. I decided to drive my Duster to give him a ride in it and show how much it had progressed over the last 8 years or so since I had last seen him. Well it was about 100 miles on the freeway and the first time making a trip like that since I swapped to 3.55:1 gears, car has a 904 with a 2800-RPM stall converter. It SUCKED. ~3500 RPM the whole way at 70-80 mph, used about 2/3 tank of gas (calculated around 12 MPG) and a pint of oil in that trip alone. In contrast when I used to cruise at similar speeds in CO with the 2.94 gears it was closer to 2700 RPM and much more comfortable and got closer to 16-18 MPG. I really don't want to drive this car on a longer freeway trip again until I get the 2.94 gearset back into my other 3rd member. And of course now I want overdrive more than ever. I bet cruising at 2000 RPM or less it would break 20 MPG.

You know, one joke I've always had with my car since the day I bought it was that no matter what I do, it gets 20 mpg, period. I had a 318 with a 4 speed and low 3.something gears (I think, don't recall what was actually in the rear end when I bought it) and it got 20 mpg on the highway. Swapped to a 5.7 Hemi with a carb and kept the 4 speed originally and it got 20 mpg on the highway. Converted to fuel injection and a T56 and low and behold, 20 mpg on the highway, lol. Granted I'm probably getting twice the horsepower of the 318 now and I have half the cruising rpm I used to, but I think aerodynamics are the ultimate limit of what the car is going to do consistently. It's a brick, there's no getting around that. With better tuning I have finally managed to make that number budge a bit and have seen 25 on the highway on my instantaneous gauge readout, but it's basically low 20s.

It all kind of makes sense when you think about it though. A car needs X amount of horsepower to travel at 70 mph. Doesn't matter how you make it, that's just what it takes to overcome drag, friction, etc. You can spin an engine at 4000 rpm with almost no throttle input and make the 60 hp or whatever it takes to push you along or you can spin it at 1500 rpm with your foot halfway to the floor. Both make the same horsepower in the long run. Yeah, you might lose some extra horsepower to rotating friction and stuff at higher engine rpm, but it's likely fairly minimal. The main difference comes down to the volumetric efficiency of the engine at those different operating points. You can kind of parallel that with the torque curve of an engine, though the effects of less than WOT make dyno charts somewhat less useful for that. Generally speaking though if you have a nice flat torque curve then the engine is probably pretty efficient at any operating rpm and your actual cruising rpm may not really make a huge difference on fuel economy.

You might get rid of a some drag by lowering the car but you're right, it is still a brick. The Duster/Demon/Dart Sport body is better in that regard, front end is still flat as a barn door but the swoopy semi-fastback roofline reduces overall drag quite a bit. IMO the most aerodynamic classic Mopar (after the Superbird/Daytona of course) is the 71-72 (and to a slightly lesser extent, 73-74) B-body Plymouth. I really want a 71-72 Satellite for that reason, I also like how they look.

Well, I am going to run headers which should help, but I am also going to run a 6.4 intake and cam so not completely leaving it alone. But I am keeping VVT, so kind of like a smaller displacement Scat Pack?

Most people I have seen that do the 6.4 cam swap say it loses nothing down low but gains about 50 HP up top. Hopefully, the "lose nothing down low" means it should be close to stock. :D

BTW, my 5.7 R/T 6M and a Scat Pack 6M run the same trans, rear gears and tires. So the factory didn't change the cruise RPM's for an SP.

I decided for swapping my 5.7 into an A-body (not sure if it'll be my Duster or something else) I'm going to put in a "Stage 3" Texas Speed cam and lock out the VVT. I watched a Dead Dodge Garage video of him test driving a 6.4-swapped '71 Challenger and he couldn't give it more than about 1/4 throttle without breaking the tires loose. I don't want that much torque and I want my Hemi to run like a Gen2 Hemi with roaring endless top end and 7000+ RPM redline. That cam also seems to retain decent enough low-end torque for use in modern Challengers and trucks without wrecking gas mileage and needing too many supporting mods so the street manners in a 3400-lb A-body should be nice.