Guess I just had low expectations. I built the avatar (408) street/strip car with a target of 11.30. After a bunch of tuning, I got it from its initial pass at 11.87 to now it's gone 11.10@119.4. And I've been happy with that! (OK, ok...now I want to see a 10.9x out of it but that may never happen down here in Florida!!) Think I just need some PBR porting!!