But you could tell the guys in the shop knew what they were doing, but you never got to see if Boyd could do F-all or if he was just a desk rider and 'Idea Man'. Seem to remember he didn't like to get dirty. But, I've never looked further back to see if he was capable @ one time. Foose worked for him and was his designer, while Boyd played Businessman, making wheels & going bankrupt. Then Foose left.