That's why I originally thought maybe I got a wrong HD, but both of these are long snouts and both exactly the same, they say external balanced but they dont look like what I'm used to for external balance dampers, but this is my first time using aftermarket, I usually have the oem one and still on hood shape, this is honestly my first time building a performance mopar, done loads of Ford engines but those parts are dime a dozen lol, thank you for that measurement, im at work now and as I get info throughout the day I will go over it all when I get home and see where I stand from there, I believe my issue to be the timing cover at this point, just off what I've been told from the responses here