anyone know this guy?

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Thats true, he never said the car was stock, but.....in his words from the site

" The small block! That right its stock and it runs 11.50 in the 1/4 mile @ 117 mph."

He's implying that the engine is stock....and that is quite misleading in my opinion...thats why I said he might be just yanking peoples chain.
 
My 340 sports headers,intake, and Comp cam. I would still consider the engine stock. Certainly compared to todays roller-stroker-ported combos. Anyway, seems kind of nitpicky to me.Thats a beauty either way. Oh,and, we shouldn't use the word "retard" on here, unless we are talking about timing....or Chevy guys. ;)
 
I hear ya there...there's no denying that it's a beauty of a car and I would give my left ******** for it! #-o But implying that a "stock" 360 has 425 hp is a stretch for even the most unstable of minds....:tard:
 
It is possible he came up with his hp figures by plugging
in his et and mph into a calculator.
But I doubt it, as he has time slips and calculators
are for crude guessiments.
You can split hairs as to whether it's stock or not, his class number allows him to run in that class.
I'd say he is a serious contender in a stock class as define by the NHRA,
and the techs keep him honest.:thumblef:
Any way you cut it, it's a very nice car that is well executed.

A well built ( stock ) motor on NOS will proform at this level
and last for a decent amount of time if prepared properly.
 
great motor combos run great if there right and work together, he may be and probably is leaving out out a lot of info on the internal mods of motor and the lightening up of the car, weight = horsepower. who knows:happy6:
 
drp2671,
I've left a'nuff of my hide and blood on automobiles to know
that the car deities only accsept cash or credit card as sacrifice
for speed or beauty.
No amount of man meat is sufficient payment.
:notworth: [-o< :p and ouch
 
that car looks ALOT how i pic mine to look like when its done! but its far from stock. could he possable mean stock bottem end? i mean im pretty shure 11.50s is possable with a stock bottem end as long as u have every thing else perfected. iter way its a damn good looking car~! he even has the tag i wanted not fair lol
 
drp2671 said:
Thats true, he never said the car was stock, but.....in his words from the site

" The small block! That right its stock and it runs 11.50 in the 1/4 mile @ 117 mph."

He's implying that the engine is stock....and that is quite misleading in my opinion...thats why I said he might be just yanking peoples chain.
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IMO he's messing with the import, Chevy & Ford guys. The real Mopar guys would know the difference. he just left the word "eliminator" out of his description.

Honestly, how many of you have run across an import, Chevy, Ford owner running 11's & 12's or quicker while claiming the car is "stock"? :---)
 
hi, it's too bad you have to down grade his car and motor. shame on you!!
in the world of stock elimanater, there is limits on everything!! car has to weigh the shipping weight, no LW parts allowed period!!!!the total wgt with driver has to be. 3400 #. as for the motor, stock heads, manifold, carb, valve sizes, stroke, crank. a stocker motor is highy refined, blueprinted to a gnats ***!!!joe napa does not build stocker motors!!!! it takes a very talented and smart engine builder to squeeze power with a lot of limits to overcome. the only non stock item would be cam, but it has to meet stock lift. any gear ratio and high stall conv allowed. 9" tires max size!! as for HP, he's probably very close to 425. one quote for you, warren johnson, stated ,stock elim is the toughest requires very good engine builder to get the power from those motors. he has a lot of respect for their talent. maybe some of you need to talk to guys running stockers, you might learn something!!! hell. probably not, you already know it all anyway.
 
perfacar said:
hi, it's too bad you have to down grade his car and motor. shame on you!!
in the world of stock elimanater, there is limits on everything!! car has to weigh the shipping weight, no LW parts allowed period!!!!the total wgt with driver has to be. 3400 #. as for the motor, stock heads, manifold, carb, valve sizes, stroke, crank. a stocker motor is highy refined, blueprinted to a gnats ***!!!joe napa does not build stocker motors!!!! it takes a very talented and smart engine builder to squeeze power with a lot of limits to overcome. the only non stock item would be cam, but it has to meet stock lift. any gear ratio and high stall conv allowed. 9" tires max size!! as for HP, he's probably very close to 425. one quote for you, warren johnson, stated ,stock elim is the toughest requires very good engine builder to get the power from those motors. he has a lot of respect for their talent. maybe some of you need to talk to guys running stockers, you might learn something!!! hell. probably not, you already know it all anyway.
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I'm not dissing the guy. Yes, stock elim is a tough road to hoe if that's your chosen class.

When you use the term stock as most everyone in the car world does, that general meaning means as it rolled of the assembly line. Aftermarket headers = not stock, stock elim camshaft = not stock, superstock springs = not stock, 4500 convertor = you get the idea.

Using the term "stock" to describe a Stock eliminator engine is without a doubt a huge misuse of the term. Might use the majority of the stock components, but, far from stock.
 
hi, it's not a misuse , it's still a stocker, period. i see guys on here with strokers, and headers, s/s springs after market parts, callin their stuff stock!!
NHRA stockers are more stock than most other cars here!!! why don't you .crackedback, build a stock and see how fast it goes, then you can poor mouth people. you haven't the foggiest notion about what it takes to get a stocker to go fast. i run a stocker 340, so don't blow smoke up my tail pipe.
mine has ran 11,40's @ 116 MPH. and it]s way more stock than some of these cars on here.
 
perfacar said:
hi, it's not a misuse , it's still a stocker, period. i see guys on here with strokers, and headers, s/s springs after market parts, callin their stuff stock!!
NHRA stockers are more stock than most other cars here!!! why don't you .crackedback, build a stock and see how fast it goes, then you can poor mouth people. you haven't the foggiest notion about what it takes to get a stocker to go fast. i run a stocker 340, so don't blow smoke up my tail pipe.
mine has ran 11,40's @ 116 MPH. and it]s way more stock than some of these cars on here.
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H, I, or J/SA maybe???

Don't get yourself all worked up.

It's a matter of interpretation of the word "stock". You feel one way, I feel another about the of the term. "stocker" is a different animal, IMHO, that isn't assembly line. I don't use that term, stock, to describe my stuff if it's not.

Worked with enough guys in the 80's that raced both stock and super stock to fill my life, no thanks on building a stock elim engine today. No different than building class legal motorcycle engines... I did that too. I'd rather spend my time doing other more productive things with my life and that's a choice.

You can attempt to belittle me and enjoy the pot shots you take. I frankly don't give a crap.

Have a great day!
 
I have been around NHRA my whole life, I was born into it because my father was Division Six tech director in the 60's and have found one thing that is usually true. A lot of guys that run Stock Eliminator get all worked up when someone mentions that the car is not "stock". There has been a couple of cases here. My mother used to CC the heads on teardown to help my father and she got called all kinds of names because she was a "woman". Most were flat mean when they first meet her. Anyway...

Stock Eliminator cars are phenomenal race cars but ease up a bit, you turn what is an awsome feat into people don't want to be around you because you are they way you are. It also shows people what kind of person someone is when they beat up on someones car and their intellect buy mentioning they are basically a moron because there "stroker" doesn't run as well as a "stocker". I have had this happen before and I could really care less that my motor only cost me $3,000 and runs low 11's. I don't have the money to build a $15,000 11 second "stocker".

Maybe "Stock Eliminator" people are better motor and car people than they are people people. Then again maybe it is just a select few that need to work on their manners and be a little less "short fused". I,m thinking it is the select few.

"Stock" is in the eye of the beholder.


Chuck
 
I would love more then any thing to build a stock or super stock car, but the fact is the only thing "stock" about the motors are the casting numbers.
 
Just what do they let us get away with these days in Stock Eliminator anyway? It wasn't much in the 70's......... :rock:
 
I gotta side with the minority here. Until you try and run a Stock, Super Stock Class to "complain" that somehow the guy is doing something "less then honest" by calling his car "stock" is just short-sighted. I think some of the more learned here are giving the wrong impression when they say that the parts aren't stock. Reality is yeah...the parts might not have come from Ma Mopar, but this became a necessity as try and find a NOS set of stage 3 426 pistons...back in the seventies when we were racing SS/EA pieces were already coming hard to come by. Before anyone corrects me in SS/EA we didn't have to run stock pistons, but "Stockers" did. Through lobbying the stockers of today run an after-market piston, but they are still regulated and scrutinized by NHRA. It's not like these pistons are full-race 400gram any configuration goes. Had this not happened, there would be even fewer Mopars competing in these classes. Same with the cams. Early on the "Stockers" actually knew how to degree a cam and understood things such as lobe centers. Early rules stated as long as lift and duration were stock, NHRA was happy. The winners were the ones that took these "Stock" specifications and worked with them.

One last thing to think about is someone had mentioned heads/head work/CC's. Using the same basis as above, how many virgin stage 3 heads are still around that haven't had so many valve jobs that now the valves set just south of China. As with the piston senario, ideally you want the same area c.c.'s or in the case of the pistons you want the same/lightest weight. In a Chevy to make it stock, like most call stock here, all I'd have to do is sort thru 30 sets of heads or 30 sets of pistons to come up with a more perfect match of serial numbered pieces...try doing that with a 340.
 
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