Rich Carb

Were do you get 57* total ? I said 35* total which would be 22* of initial and 13* of mechanicle which - 35* total.

And stall does have plenty to do with it. If your advance is all in by 2200rpms and your running a 4500rpm flash converter your flashing right over initial advance in to your total advance. So in a race car with a high stall converter your right, Initial doesnt matter as much.

No in a street car with a stock converter that will flash to maybe 2200rpms initial will make a big difference be cause your timing isnt coming in till after the car is all ready moving.