Dodge To Be Dropped

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Agree the rice box engine may last some, but you sure as hell dont see many old one her in WY either, they are all in the bone yard rusted out, plastic warped fell off , weather stripping gone and back home as they should be junk with junk!

Marc Borza’s 442,000-mile 1967 Plymouth Satellite
http://www.allpar.com/old/satellite.html

Jesse Shaffer's 446,000 mile Dodge Neon R/T
Marc Borza’s 400,000-mile 1967 Plymouth Satellite
Bill Rogerson’s 488,673-mile 1986 Dodge W-150 pickup
Bill Robinson’s 452,479-mile 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Ray Alexander’s million-mile Dodge van
Mike Shatto’s 623,000-mile 1998 Dodge Dakota
(Brief) Joseph Vaillancourt’s 2,609,698 km Fury

And I have 291,322 mile on my 78 D150 318 truck. Only had a valve job because the radiator blew, and it over heated so bad in LA traffic by the time I got her off the freeway it burned 3 valves. So I replaced the timing chain at the same time as it was getting sloppy at 125k, bottom end is still stock, and the 727 has over 200000 on it since I built it too.
 
Heck who knows where any of them are made..Some Amercian cars are made by foreign countries, some foreign ones made here.
Toyota, Honda, Hundai have plants in Alabama
BMW has a big plant in South Carolina
Kia is building one in Ga
We have plants in Mexico, and I recently read about a Ford plant in
Brazil ( I think thats were it was )
Who knows where else
 
Maybe by closing it down for a year they can nulify any union contracts and then reopen non union. Could be just a ploy to get the unions to drop thier wages way down.
 
mr. 318 must be living in a deep dark world under a rock. Never seen a Toyota with 250,000 miles on it ? My old '93 toyota 4-runner had 312,000 miles on the engine with basic maintenances on it and the body looked brand new. I also work with a Toyota store and they see multitudes of Toyotas with 200 + thousand miles and still going strong. Get up off your couch, and go out in the real world. Were not fighting ther Japanese any more. Matter of factly most the so called American cars were designed in some part from the Japanese. I guarantee I can find some foreign part on your Golden Truck.

-RPM
 
I hope to GOD they dont drop the dodge name...
I was shattered when GM dropped pontiac.
How can you drop such a household name :(

Oh where in great hands with fiat....

FIX
IT
AGAIN
TONY

*sighs*
 
There are no strictly American made or Foreign made cars. According to Automotive news a Camry is 75% American made. Higher than many American cars.
 
jkeck55 said:
There are no strictly American made or Foreign made cars. According to Automotive news a Camry is 75% American made. Higher than many American cars.
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IT JUST COMES DOWN TO WHICH COUNTRY THAT YOU WANT TO SUPPORT, JAPAN BASED, KOREAN BASED, EUROPEAN BASED, OR AMERICAN BASED. WHEREVER THE COMPANY IS BASED IS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. SOME SAY THIS IS WHY THE PLAYING FEILD ISN'T LEVEL.
 
Chrysler Canada just announced they will be repaying their federal loans by 2014 , they are already showing positive pre tax revenues and are updating the mini van and large car { ie. challenger } models made here in Canada , some of you fellas need to do a little homework , a) while the profits may head back to the home country in theory ,in reality these are publicly traded companies and the shares are sold everywhere b) most of the revenues are eaten up in production costs right where they are built . c) Toyota builds more cars in the US then any of the American companies meaning more American jobs at Toyota than at Chrysler and more American dollars staying in America than any of the American manufacturers . Now I'm not buying a Toyota ever but I'm also not buying a Ford { number 2 in the US for manufacturing } ever either I love my Mopar and if I buy a new one it will be a Canadian built Challenger , it costs more than the US built Charger but it has a much better build quality which is the bottom line for US built product of all kinds , too much emphasis on telling each other what a great job you do not enough time actually doing a great job , which shows in the annual reports on quality , oops soap box collapsing gotta go
 
Well,I hope that they only drop Dodge from the european offerings. Losing the brand totally would be a very large mistake and is a great sure fire way to piss off the biggest market in the world.

I think that chrysler will benefit from all the free tecnology and research from Fiat. We are talking about billions of dollars worth guys. If it helps Chrysler build a better vehicle then Im all for it.

Dont panic yet. They have a long way to go before they are solvent again. My plan is to look seriously at thier offerings in a year or two,and replace my 00 Caravan and my 93 gm truck with a single vehicle.
 
I re-read my previous post and decided it made no sense so I deleted it. Time for a cup of coffee to wake up.

Dodge was on it's way rebuilding it's image with the Challenger when the economy tanked. Sometimes it's harder to recover from bad timing.
 
Well if this is true it will be the beginning of the end for the Chrysler brand also.Plymouth gone,now Dodge maybe...
 
mr.318 said:
i think what a bunch of tradedors.
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WTF is a tradedor?

mr.318 said:
We did it to ourselves, My ram truck has over 258,000 nothing but tuneups and oilchanges.
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Even if that were true, where was your Dodge truck made? Hint: Not in the US.

There's this jackass on my street with a bunch of Buy American crap on the back of his Daimler era Dodge truck. Makes me laugh every time I see it.

I want to get a bumper sticker that says, "Check where your junk was built before you shoot your mouth off".

I'll either put it on my Ford that was buit in Kentucky, or my buddy's Mercedes that was built in Alabama.
 
mikedevore said:
IT JUST COMES DOWN TO WHICH COUNTRY THAT YOU WANT TO SUPPORT, JAPAN BASED, KOREAN BASED, EUROPEAN BASED, OR AMERICAN BASED. WHEREVER THE COMPANY IS BASED IS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING. SOME SAY THIS IS WHY THE PLAYING FEILD ISN'T LEVEL.
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I'd rather support American workers and Japanese honchos (toyota) than Mexican workers and American honchos.
 
I'm pretty sure this isn't true. Someone posted the 5-year plan for fiat/chrysler and it had plans for dodge for the next 5 years in it... soooo, I'm thinking this isn't true.
 
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LXguy said:
I'd rather support American workers and Japanese honchos (toyota) than Mexican workers and American honchos.
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Dang straight. I'd much rather do that. You sir, are the one person that I 100 percent agree with :cheers:
 
LXguy said:
WTF is a tradedor?



Even if that were true, where was your Dodge truck made? Hint: Not in the US.

There's this jackass on my street with a bunch of Buy American crap on the back of his Daimler era Dodge truck. Makes me laugh every time I see it.

I want to get a bumper sticker that says, "Check where your junk was built before you shoot your mouth off".

I'll either put it on my Ford that was buit in Kentucky, or my buddy's Mercedes that was built in Alabama.
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I think a "tradedor" is Moron for "traitor." Whenever mr. 318 speaks you gotta get out your Moron-to-English dictionary.

You bring up a great point when you talk about the Daimler era "buy American" speeches and those who talk about your profit going overseas...ummmm, am I the only one who sees the conundrum in that? If they're worried about profit going overseas why were they buying the Chrysler brand in that period? What about now that Fiat is the parent company? As has been said these are internationally publically held companies. You can invest in any of them. And that in turns makes your dollar more.
I also like the argument of "we fought the Japs and the Germans in World War II." So what's the beef with the Hyundai? Didn't we go to war for South Korea? In using that argument to not buy Japanese or German couldn't that same argument be used to support Hyundai? Or anything British? Does that now take anything Chrysler off the list of potential buys because of the Italian Facists we fought during WWII? Did it take anything Mopar Performance of Mopar Authentic Restoration off the list during the Daimler era?
I'm not disagreeing with you on your Ford, but for those who use the argument of money going overseas I would like to use Ford as an example. Ever heard of Land Rover and Jaguar? The nightmares of those two companies and the ineffeciency of the plants to build these two and that it was going to cost Ford more money to sell these two nightmares than it was to streamline the plants. Neither of these Ford divisions were profitable. That being said, if neither was profitable where was the money going to come from to streamline the plants? From the profit on the trucks coming out of Kentucky, perhaps?
As for dropping Dodge, as Zach has pointed out: the other thread and the link to Allpar from the restructuring plan shows that's not in the plans. Rumors' had it that the Grand Caravan was going to be dropped up to a day before the announcement, but the plan shows it's sticking around. Rumors' had it that the Hemi was going bye-bye, but low and behold the plan shows the furtherance of the 6.4L for the SRTs, the Charger getting a redesign and the Dodge platforms being the basis for the new performance division. The plan as has been outlined shows the Fiat and Chrysler have been focusing on different aspects of the market and the two coming together let's them focus on all aspects of the market.
This whole thread was started on a rumor with no link to show where the rumor was read, just to start s***.
 
ramenth said:
I'm not disagreeing with you on your Ford, but for those who use the argument of money going overseas I would like to use Ford as an example. Ever heard of Land Rover and Jaguar? The nightmares of those two companies and the ineffeciency of the plants to build these two and that it was going to cost Ford more money to sell these two nightmares than it was to streamline the plants. Neither of these Ford divisions were profitable. That being said, if neither was profitable where was the money going to come from to streamline the plants? From the profit on the trucks coming out of Kentucky, perhaps?
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Alright, its a given that buying any English manufacturing concern is incredibly stupid.

I don't think its especially relevant to this discussion what Ford does with the net profits they make on their trucks, moronic or otherwise. As long as the gross is getting spent to keep Americans working.

The fact is, if you need a *decent* full-size truck (aka NOT the older power-impaired or newer motor blowing junk Toyota), and you want to be able to act all sanctimonious about buying American, there's one manufacturer you can buy from, or at least there was until GM moved some of their truck manufacturing back to Indiana a couple years back.
 
Toyota may be the best selling car and also it is built here in the U.S. but after it's all said and done the profit gets deposited in a fbank in some foreign country.
 
fnabody said:
Toyota may be the best selling car and also it is built here in the U.S. but after it's all said and done the profit gets deposited in a fbank in some foreign country...

Fix
It
Again
Tony
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Seriously? :bootysha: What year are you living in? I'm willing to bet that their cars hold up just as well than anything else built today...

As for the whole Toyota thing... as long as our workers are getting paid, I don't care where the money ends up.
 
fnabody said:
Toyota may be the best selling car and also it is built here in the U.S. but after it's all said and done the profit gets deposited in a fbank in some foreign country.
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Ok... So lets kick out every foreign car company that has a manufacturing plant in the US and Canada. Seems to be alot of plants. And while we're at it shut down the parts producers for these foreign companies too. Awwwww what the hell, shut down the foreign dealerships too. Fricken' commie bastards.

So now O'mighty wise one.... What do you tell the millions of unemployed workers now without a pay cheque? Their sacrifice of employment was for the greater good? I'm sure GM and Ford will pick up the slack. Remember we just shut down Chrysler - foreign owned. :thebirdm:


Wylde1.
 
LXguy said:
Alright, its a given that buying any English manufacturing concern is incredibly stupid.

I don't think its especially relevant to this discussion what Ford does with the net profits they make on their trucks, moronic or otherwise. As long as the gross is getting spent to keep Americans working.

The fact is, if you need a *decent* full-size truck (aka NOT the older power-impaired or newer motor blowing junk Toyota), and you want to be able to act all sanctimonious about buying American, there's one manufacturer you can buy from, or at least there was until GM moved some of their truck manufacturing back to Indiana a couple years back.
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Actually, if you take what you quoted of mine, put it all together with what I was talking about that you didn't quote, added to what I quoted of yours, you'll see that I was agreeing with on the idea that so many get sanctimonious on the idea of "foreign" owned and used Ford as an example when many people prop up their F-series being built in Kentucky. I've seen other discussions on this board where people talk about the idea of their F-series being built in Kentucky while never once realizing that Ford had to get it's money from somewhere to ship overseas to buy Mazda, Volvo, Land Rover, and Jag and the money had to come from somewhere within the company to make the last two profitable. So when the dollar gets turned into the pound where are they when that happens? Or is selective knowledge?
I was actually addressing the attitude that some are displaying by asking a few simple questions that address some of the key ideas on "foreign" made. Is it okay to employ US workers? Should the money stay here? By employing US workers doesn't the money they earn stay in the local economy through sales to locally owned businesses, which will in turn hire local people who will in turn continue to buy locally? With our unemployment reaching 10% nationally why is it so wrong to employ the US workforce?
 
Wylde1 said:
Ok... So lets kick out every foreign car company that has a manufacturing plant in the US and Canada. Seems to be alot of plants. And while we're at it shut down the parts producers for these foreign companies too. Awwwww what the hell, shut down the foreign dealerships too. Fricken' commie bastards.

So now O'mighty wise one.... What do you tell the millions of unemployed workers now without a pay cheque? Their sacrifice of employment was for the greater good? I'm sure GM and Ford will pick up the slack. Remember we just shut down Chrysler - foreign owned. :thebirdm:


Wylde1.
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Why are you coming after me!? I just said I would buy a toyota if it meant supporting american workers!!! WTF?
 
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