16:1 vs 24:1 steering

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  1. 70scatpack

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    16:1 is a 3 1/2 lock to lock but is the steering itself harder because you have less turns with the steering wheel as opposed to the 5 1/2 lock to lock with the stock 24:1 steering box ratio?
     
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    Uh yeah! With the faster ratio It's a good bit harder, but the transitions are less, so you have better control when you're doing spirited driving.

    Does that answer your question?
     
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    Yes pretty much sums it up
     
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    Thanks
     
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    Yeah 16:1 takes more muscle at low speeds. It's not noticeable when driving.
    I have a factory 16:1 manual box in my 68 small block cuda. Hard to park.
    24:1 in my /6 64 Valiant. It's too slow! Last week I had to make a quick turn and really noticed that it is too slow!

    In my opinion 20:1 manual would be a good compromise. I have an original Direct Connection 20:1 worm/nut but I haven't installed it yet so no direct experience.

    If you have power steering now, just remove the belt and drive it. I drove my 68 that way for a few years before swapping in the 16:1 manual. It felt exactly like the PS box without the belt because it's the same ratio.
     
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      Like double the effort. 20:1 is a good compromise. 24:1 is terrible for daily driving, not the effort, the turns lock to lock. I did 2 years in So Cal traffic with 24:1 in a 67 Dart and wouldn't do it again.
       
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      I'm just waiting for pst to come out with a 20.1 box still a year away both the 24 and 16.1 leave lots to be desired .
       
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      I went with the 20:1 from Firm Feel and I like it. My old one was the factory 24:1 and as Nirvana says,... it wasn't hard to steer, but had way too many turns lock to lock. The new 20:1 is a little tougher to turn than the stock one, but only when stopped. Once you start moving, it gets WAY better. And it is much more usable once you are driving.
       
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        I had a 24:1 in my 70 Cuda and was sitting at a light at a large intersection when my light turned I made a left and was on the gas a little harder than I should have, wet pavement and it went sideways and I was counter steering as fast as I could got it strait and didn't hit anything, but I did punch myself in the nuts in the process when my hand missed the wheel. I would go with the 16:1 if you could.
         
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        I have the PST 16:1 which is going in on Monday I will let everyone know how it is.Thanks for all the input
         
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          Yeah bought as well, but my motor is still out of the car so haven't had test it yet:rolleyes:
           
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          I run a 16:1 Flaming River manual steering box in my Duster. Certainly won't win any parallel parking contests, but once you're going 10-15mph it's really not all that bad, and once you're going a little faster than that it's awesome. And I run 275/35/18's and +6.5* of caster up front, so cars with narrower tires and a more standard alignment would be easier than mine.
           
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          16;1 Flaming River with 205-14's, 3 1/2* caster,,,I wouldn't go with any slower of a box. No problems.
           
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          I've had the flaming river 16:1 on my all iron small block 68 barracuda. I thought it was perfect...Don't fret. You'll be happy with the 16:1 box.
           
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          Thanks chrgdrt. It looks as though the OP purchased that chrome cast box and not the one me and 70aarcuda posted. I don't see any feedback on the box I posted about. People are pretty opinionated about steering boxes apparently :)

          I was just trying to research changing from power to manual when I came across this thread. Seems that 1:20 is the ideal ratio, but they are expensive and hard to find. This ebay option seemed like a potential option, but now I am not sure.
           
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          Last year I went from ps with the quick ratio arm to a manual 24:1 with a quick arm and yes 24:1 is too slow, the effort isn't bad unless you're parrallel parking. I would say 20:1 would be ideal. this is in a small block Challenger with skinnys on front, when I put my 235's I can definetly tell the diff.

          one thing i noticed is the box you posted lists 5/8 36 spline where as the one from the other thread lists 3/4-36. not sure which is correct
           
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          Having owned cars with all three ratio steering boxes, I prefer the 20:1. It's a great box without the negatives of the others.
           
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          Just got a new PST manual 16:1 box and it takes 1.5 turns lock to lock. Pitman arm and idler arm are stock replacements. I checked this with the front end off the ground. So where does this 3.5 turns lock to lock come from?
           
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          1.5 if you sneeze you will change lanes. Are you sure it's 1.5 ?
           
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          from PST, among other places. "PST's new production Mopar manual box has a ratio of 16:1 or 3.5 turns lock to lock"
           
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          Either you’re counting wrong, something’s wrong with the box, or your steering linkage is hitting something before it goes full travel.

          With a 16:1 box it should be about 3.5 full rotations of the steering wheel lock to lock. Mine is.
           
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          I’ll check again tomorrow.
          Here’s how I did it. A piece of blue painters tape on the top center of steering wheel. Now turn right or left till it stops turning, 1.5 turns each way. The steering wheel is a 14 inch billet half wrap with a FlamingRiver column.
           
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          Sounds like you’re only counting half the turns. It’s not from steering centered to lock on one side. It’s from full steering lock left to full steering lock right.