1969 Valiant steering housing loose

Discussion in 'Suspension, Steering and Chassis' started by Robj, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. Robj

    Robj FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    163
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2012
    Location:
    Redding, California
    View My Photos
    Local Time:
    3:42 PM
    '69 Valiant 318 manual 4sp with floor shifter. No ignition switch or shifter on the column

    I've been helping a buddy with some wiring on his Valiant. It's had some really shoddy things done by a previous owner.

    Both sections of the steering collar housings (for lack of correct terminology) are loose. The one directly behind the steering wheel which houses the signal switch and the rear one which seems to be trim. The two bearing housing nuts were lose. One will tighten the other will not. The stud coming through on the one that will not tighten protrudes further than the other. I've never gotten into one of these columns this far and can't find any diagrams or images of what those studs look like on the backside. I was reading in one magazine online that they're wedges?

    Even with the nuts loose and the housings being able to rock on the protruding steering shaft, the top one does not move up and down on the shaft as though it can be pulled off and removed. In the bottom photo you can see the nut and stud on the left hanging lose. I'm not sure but the stud may be stripped at the point it should be tightening. The nut spins but the stud seems firm and not spinning with it.

    I downloaded a factory manual from MyMopar but all examples in there are for manual and automatic column shift cars. There's also no illustrations of the two sections removed or taken apart. Can this section of the column be taken apart and serviced with the column in the vehicle. Any help on this would be appreciated.

    IMG_0742.jpg IMG_0743.jpg IMG_0745.jpg
     
  2. Robj

    Robj FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    163
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2012
    Location:
    Redding, California
    View My Photos
    Local Time:
    3:42 PM
    I’ve been out of town for a week and a half. I’m going to take a look at this again. Can anybody tell me how to disassemble one of these so I can try to find out where the problem is? The factory manual is not detailed this. Thanks
     
  3. Cuda Al

    Cuda Al Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    515
    Likes Received:
    339
    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2007
    Location:
    Lompoc, CA
    Local Time:
    3:42 PM
    You will probably need to pull the column assembly out of the car.

    Lets work a little backwards first.
    The heads of those two bolts are square, the edge of one side of the head of the bolt hooks the column housing tube like a j-bolt.
    I'm not sure it is something that can be done in the car (it was tricky with the column standing up).


    Alan
     
    • Thanks! Thanks! x 1
    • Robj

      Robj FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

      Messages:
      1,174
      Likes Received:
      163
      Joined:
      Jan 1, 2012
      Location:
      Redding, California
      View My Photos
      Local Time:
      3:42 PM
      I was wondering how it all secured to the column. I can’t find any photos anywhere. J-hook that explains why it’s loose.
       
    • Robj

      Robj FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

      Messages:
      1,174
      Likes Received:
      163
      Joined:
      Jan 1, 2012
      Location:
      Redding, California
      View My Photos
      Local Time:
      3:42 PM
      I found a diagram I’d missed before in the manual that helped a little to show me what the innards looked like and how they are attached.

      The real issue though was that whoever was in there before buggered it all up. I got the bearing housing off the column. They must have lost most of the bolts and screws. The turn signal switch had three different non-matching screws and the housing is supposed to be fastened to the column with two special square headed bolts that lock into slots in the column. As you tighten them, they slide up a ramp and into the slots on the column. One of them was replaced with a regular hex head bolt. It looks like it's been on both sides in the past because both of the channels for the square heads are all mucked up. The hex head doesn’t slide like it’s supposed to. The shaft isn’t centered in the tube either. There’s a lot of downward pressure on it.

      It looks like the two flanges coming up that the two square heads are supposed to attach to are way out of center too. (Bottom photo)

      One of these jobs that never ends because of issues you keep finding. I was just doing electrical for him but I can’t turn it back over to him knowing there’s a problem in the steering column. 6C98E94C-A852-4B37-96C4-E06C8AEE318F.jpeg 81B20AD1-354F-4335-BCDD-803061BA8AEB.jpeg
       
    • Cuda Al

      Cuda Al Well-Known Member

      Messages:
      515
      Likes Received:
      339
      Joined:
      Oct 21, 2007
      Location:
      Lompoc, CA
      Local Time:
      3:42 PM
      The (side of the) square heads go into the square holes in the side on the tube (seen at about 10:00 and 6:00 in your picture)
      The post (first picture) that has the web to the center goes in the notch hidden from view in the second picture.
      The two pieces can really only go together one way, having the correct bolt will make a difference but may be tricky getting them to engage the housing with the column in the car, I had mine standing up and it was tricky.

      It does appear that having the housing loose has caused damage to the square head pocket in the housing along with the hex head, a new housing is in order.


      Alan
       
      Last edited: Sep 28, 2018
      • Thanks! Thanks! x 1
      • famous bob

        famous bob mopar misfit

        Messages:
        10,534
        Likes Received:
        2471
        Joined:
        Aug 14, 2011
        Location:
        okla
        Local Time:
        5:42 PM
        I mam going thru the same thing right now. I rebuilt the column back yrs ago and got the square headed bolts to grab and titen up. I did a lower bearing mod a while back (in the car) , and now have a problem w/ the bolts not holding. After speaking a lot of Chinese to it , I guess I`m goin to pull the whole dam thing. I cant believe an engineer couldn`t come up with something better than that rig! I`m going to investigate tack welding the bolts to the tube , TIRED OF SCREWING W/ IT !!
         
      • Robj

        Robj FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

        Messages:
        1,174
        Likes Received:
        163
        Joined:
        Jan 1, 2012
        Location:
        Redding, California
        View My Photos
        Local Time:
        3:42 PM
        It seems an odd design to me. I was thinking the same thing... there’s a better way to design this.
         
      • famous bob

        famous bob mopar misfit

        Messages:
        10,534
        Likes Received:
        2471
        Joined:
        Aug 14, 2011
        Location:
        okla
        Local Time:
        5:42 PM
        Yeah, I think it`s about the most stupid thing I`ve seen on a mopar !