1971 Dodge Demon Sold for $126,500 on Mecum

[Oldmanmopar]

All cars we have done , Before they went for paint. we would tape off all the weep holes on the bottom of the rockers and quarter panel and rails. Pour Chassis paint over the rear wheel wells and fill the rockers and in the quarters with paint one side at a time. Pull the tape and let one side drain in trays and then pour it in the other side. Some cars we did the rear and front rails. They would drip for a couple days we put cardboard down but some just kept dripping.

 

[Super-Cuda]

Sorry I should have said I never saw it used at a professional auto body weld shop.

watch this guys videos 2 though 4. This is the way a rusted car as bad as the Demon is done right.

Notice the chassis is on a level steel floor table. We used a raised level fixture

That is pretty much the way the Demon was restored.

BTW , in the build it states the shell was professionally stripped and treated before metal work and paint.

And... you have no idea, as do I ,of what other treatments were done, the condition of the upper pillar metal etc. so why comment on something you don't know for certain.

You were not there during the restoration so you are speculating.


I have no idea why you posted this Mustang video anyway.

According to your posts you would have chopped it up and scrapped it as it's a rust bucket.

 

[NC Engine Builder]

OMM is doing what he does, running down members while trying to look like a "expert" If he isn't running down someone's work, hes busy boasting about some BS he claims he has done, bragging about buying cars out from under other members, boasting about this miracle machine shop his kid runs with all the equipment he got for cheap, or trying to use any opportunity to post "parts" he has for sale. Oh, dont forget him and his 100s of FABO members who sit around and gossip about the site. The dude knows NOTHING about humility, and the site would be a better place if he left.

 

[junkyardhero]

That is pretty much the way the Demon was restored.

BTW , in the build it states the shell was professionally stripped and treated before metal work and paint.

And... you have no idea, as do I ,of what other treatments were done, the condition of the upper pillar metal etc. so why comment on something you don't know for certain.

You were not there during the restoration so you are speculating.


I have no idea why you posted this Mustang video anyway.

According to your posts you would have chopped it up and scrapped it as it's a rust bucket.

don't make the mistake of trying to have any type of rational, intelligent or civil conversation about this. it only ends with circular arguments, petty insults and moving goal posts when confronted with facts or full on melt downs when shown their own conflicting statments and contradictory remarks.

there is not a reason to engage with the unreasonable; unless that reason is to merely see how unreasonable they are.

 

[junkyardhero]

OMM is doing what he does, running down members while trying to look like a "expert" If he isn't running down someone's work, hes busy boasting about some BS he claims he has done, bragging about buying cars out from under other members, boasting about this miracle machine shop his kid runs with all the equipment he got for cheap, or trying to use any opportunity to post "parts" he has for sale. Oh, dont forget him and his 100s of FABO members who sit around and gossip about the site. The dude knows NOTHING about humility, and the site would be a better place if he left.

if only people held true to their words and followed thru with their decree...

IYKYK

 

[72bluNblu]

But if not read thoroughly pictures can be put in place to be deceiving.

If you read my post the intention is very clear. Plus, it's better work than you've ever done so I wouldn't dare attribute it to you.

Well that rust he repaired was where the water was trapped. what do you think the inside or the A-pillar and cowl looked like?

I have seen it all over the years and if that is the repair he did its nothing to brag about. He put a new lower pillar in so the door wouldn't fall off.

Look at the rust he left behind on the side panel and at the seam on the firewall Pin hole all over the place.

You think that copper paint will stop that rust he left behind. Your dumber the I thought. It was not fixed for long term. It was repaired for resale. Probably Seam seal or mudded up to look to be done right. Patch it up and send it down the road job. What about the hole in the top of the rocker behind the door hinge pillar. where do you think that water went. The car should have been dipped in acid cured and then dipped in epoxy.

Special copper coating my ***. I need to roll my pants up its getting pretty deep. They sell weld through primer never saw copper used unless your filling holes. You hold it as a backer behind the metal so the weld can fill and not stick. m We have a weld shop and do all types of welding even spray welding.

After seeing these 2 pictures you posted I am convinced this car is a rust bucket doctored for resale. I would have cut it up and scrapped it along with the Mutt.
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And now who's making things up? You have no idea what was behind that panel, and it's pretty clear it was blasted back there as well. I mean, we all know that rust happens at the bottom when moisture gets trapped, so, I don't know how you think there's rust at the top too. You think the whole pillar was full of water or something? Gravity not work in your shop or something?

You're just sore that Mr. Gallant did exceptional work, and the car he built sold at auction for more than you've ever gotten. So now you have to make things up to make yourself look good.

There's no seam sealer in either picture. You can see through the bottom of the kick panel in the "before" picture, and you can see where the welds were ground back (barely) in the "after" picture. It wasn't filled with weld through primer, even you know better than that. But you gotta make accusations, because you've got nothing else.

Nothing special about it . Just another weld through primer. 2 part Epoxy with a wand is a much better method. Coat the back side and inside after the welding. When they are rusted this bad no coating will help what you cannot get to. looks nice though.

Everybody and their mother sell a coating. I can sell Ice to an Eskimo too.

So if there's nothing special about it, how come you couldn't identify it?

Oh right, because you're lying.

Sorry I should have said I never saw it used at a professional auto body weld shop.

watch this guys videos 2 though 4. This is the way a rusted car as bad as the Demon is done right.

Notice the chassis is on a level steel floor table. We used a raised level fixture

Lol! Yeah, sure. You had no clue what it was and now you've got to pretend it's not professional. More assumptions. You've got no clue.

That is pretty much the way the Demon was restored.

BTW , in the build it states the shell was professionally stripped and treated before metal work and paint.

And... you have no idea, as do I ,of what other treatments were done, the condition of the upper pillar metal etc. so why comment on something you don't know for certain.

You were not there during the restoration so you are speculating.


I have no idea why you posted this Mustang video anyway.

According to your posts you would have chopped it up and scrapped it as it's a rust bucket.

He's just jealous. He has to make stuff up about other peoples work because it's the only thing that makes his work look better. So cue the wild *** assumptions, name calling, etc, etc.

OMM is doing what he does, running down members while trying to look like a "expert" If he isn't running down someone's work, hes busy boasting about some BS he claims he has done, bragging about buying cars out from under other members, boasting about this miracle machine shop his kid runs with all the equipment he got for cheap, or trying to use any opportunity to post "parts" he has for sale. Oh, dont forget him and his 100s of FABO members who sit around and gossip about the site. The dude knows NOTHING about humility, and the site would be a better place if he left.

Exactly. Cue some more restoration pictures from 40 years ago, name calling, backpedaling and post editing when someone catches him out. He's still trying to call that Demon a rust bucket, and it started out cleaner than probably half the cars here. I mean seriously, floor pans, quarter patches and a couple patches here and there is all that thing has.Admit he made a mistake? Not ever. Double down and throw a bigger tantrum.

 

[WymanV]

My 25 year foray in auto restoration started in a facility where I made my bones building 99 point concours show cars in the classic category. The shop was affiliated at the time with Wegner Auto Research, owned by the late Carl Wegner who pioneered the development of the Buick V6 engine with the Allisons for use in Winston Cup and the Bush circuit races. His was a '57 Chevy ragtop in Larkspur Blue and another car I remember was a '67 Shelby (the fiberglass on those cars was awful). The ragtop actually won a people's choice along with it's high score with the judges.

I worked in a few other shops along the way as well. We used weldable primer in every single one. We made sure there was something between the layers to deter rust when we began. Whatever we treated it with after was after but we started out with primer.

And yes, there is a can in my shop.

 

[Oldmanmopar]

If you read my post the intention is very clear. Plus, it's better work than you've ever done so I wouldn't dare attribute it to you.



And now who's making things up? You have no idea what was behind that panel, and it's pretty clear it was blasted back there as well. I mean, we all know that rust happens at the bottom when moisture gets trapped, so, I don't know how you think there's rust at the top too. You think the whole pillar was full of water or something? Gravity not work in your shop or something?

You're just sore that Mr. Gallant did exceptional work, and the car he built sold at auction for more than you've ever gotten. So now you have to make things up to make yourself look good.

There's no seam sealer in either picture. You can see through the bottom of the kick panel in the "before" picture, and you can see where the welds were ground back (barely) in the "after" picture. It wasn't filled with weld through primer, even you know better than that. But you gotta make accusations, because you've got nothing else.


So if there's nothing special about it, how come you couldn't identify it?

Oh right, because you're lying.



Lol! Yeah, sure. You had no clue what it was and now you've got to pretend it's not professional. More assumptions. You've got no clue.



He's just jealous. He has to make stuff up about other peoples work because it's the only thing that makes his work look better. So cue the wild *** assumptions, name calling, etc, etc.



Exactly. Cue some more restoration pictures from 40 years ago, name calling, backpedaling and post editing when someone catches him out. He's still trying to call that Demon a rust bucket, and it started out cleaner than probably half the cars here. I mean seriously, floor pans, quarter patches and a couple patches here and there is all that thing has.Admit he made a mistake? Not ever. Double down and throw a bigger tantrum.

It never ends with you toward anything I say. I am not jealous of anyone. Like I said before I am 70 years old and have been doing mopars and other brands since my teens. I started with nothing and enjoyed what I did. Auto mechanics , out body and paint, worked on the assembly line , Raced all over the states and raised a family.

From what I was told about you your biggest accomplishment is a sale person at a Cannabis store and bought some tools at Harbor freight

The pictures of what I have seen of this purple Demon. He does nice work to pass the car on to an unsuspecting buyer of what it actually was.

I would never want a car with half a door hinge pillar cobbled in like that. You all from the west coast don't have a clue how far rust on these cars on the east coast extend into the rest of the body.

I have been starting with bare shells since the late 70's and I have seen it all. Unlike your dreams I have been there.

As sad when I started I didn't even have a trailer in the 70's

I don't have much but Now 2 shops . several trucks and trailers . excavators ,and equipment you couldn't imagine the machine shop equipment. And most important 7 grand kids

What did you accomplish with your skills? 2 car garage and a press and four POS cars. But you can never stop trolling me who is the jealous person

There are some really good people on the west coast what happened to you? Life must not have treated you well. Well almost done with breakfast I have to go do work in the shop. As my granddaughter says , After while Crocodile, See ya Later alligator. LMFAO

 

[Oldmanmopar]

My 25 year foray in auto restoration started in a facility where I made my bones building 99 point concours show cars in the classic category. The shop was affiliated at the time with Wegner Auto Research, owned by the late Carl Wegner who pioneered the development of the Buick V6 engine with the Allisons for use in Winston Cup and the Bush circuit races. His was a '57 Chevy ragtop in Larkspur Blue and another car I remember was a '67 Shelby (the fiberglass on those cars was awful). The ragtop actually won a people's choice along with it's high score with the judges.

I worked in a few other shops along the way as well. We used weldable primer in every single one. We made sure there was something between the layers to deter rust when we began. Whatever we treated it with after was after but we started out with primer.

And yes, there is a can in my shop.

I also have 2 cans in my shop from the 90's. Just the old gray weld through primer. Used it once and never touched it again. The cans are probably clogged. Its primer Its not water proof. Take a bare piece of sanded metal spray it and put it outside for a month.

 

[rbkt65]

Steve, sent you a couple dm's on parts.

 

[barbee6043]

Way back in the 90s I lived about 1 hr. North of Kansas City, always had a car or two I was "restoring". I have done a few "nut and bolt" jobs. A few. Never made a dime on such back in Mo. in the 90s. Did not matter what model. IF I had a customer paying me by the hour it would have been different. Never wanted to "work" for a guy.

I have always hated rust. I found a place in K.C. that chemical dipped and I took them a RoadRunner hood. It sure came our clean. I knew the Mother Mopar factory dipped the bare bodies in a vat of primer back in the day, but we could put a few good coats of good epoxy primer on, get it under the braces, and pour into the holes to get it inside best we could. A lot of "sugar for a dime". If I had just made that car a keeper, it would have made more sense! Would I get that $ back when I sold that car? No.

If a guy does great work, and is just the "hobbyest" or unknown shop, if he wants to sell that car, to be paid for that quality of work, that can not be seen under all that primer and paint, then ..........

 

[340sFastback]

Some times moisture gets trapped and an area gets rusted out. It doesn't always mean the entire car is a rust bucket. My car for example had rust in floor and spare tire well due to water leaks. Doesn't mean the whole car is a rust bucket.

 

[Super-Cuda]

It never ends with you toward anything I say. I am not jealous of anyone. Like I said before I am 70 years old and have been doing mopars and other brands since my teens. I started with nothing and enjoyed what I did. Auto mechanics , out body and paint, worked on the assembly line , Raced all over the states and raised a family.

From what I was told about you your biggest accomplishment is a sale person at a Cannabis store and bought some tools at Harbor freight

The pictures of what I have seen of this purple Demon. He does nice work to pass the car on to an unsuspecting buyer of what it actually was.

I would never want a car with half a door hinge pillar cobbled in like that. You all from the west coast don't have a clue how far rust on these cars on the east coast extend into the rest of the body.

I have been starting with bare shells since the late 70's and I have seen it all. Unlike your dreams I have been there.

As sad when I started I didn't even have a trailer in the 70's
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I don't have much but Now 2 shops . several trucks and trailers . excavators ,and equipment you couldn't imagine the machine shop equipment. And most important 7 grand kids

What did you accomplish with your skills? 2 car garage and a press and four POS cars. But you can never stop trolling me who is the jealous person

There are some really good people on the west coast what happened to you? Life must not have treated you well. Well almost done with breakfast I have to go do work in the shop. As my granddaughter says , After while Crocodile, See ya Later alligator. LMFAO

"....The pictures of what I have seen of this purple Demon. He does nice work to pass the car on to an unsuspecting buyer of what it actually was...."



This is just totally untrue.

The build timeline and work/procedures used was posted for the buyer to see.

A nuts and bolt restoration, fully documented, for the potential buyer to see including the name of the facility that did the superb metal and paintwork.

Why are you making this crap up?

I'm from the East Coast, as far east as you can get so I've seem my share of rust.

In case you think I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to resurrecting old rusted cars, here's mine.

Finished almost 9 years ago, almost 10,000 miles and not a blemish anywhere in the metalwork or finish.

 

[junkyardhero]

Why are you making this crap up?

there's all manner of names, descriptions and diagnoses that are apt here, but i think the single most defining term is: unreasonable

 

[Dartnut]

Well, I'm tired of the arguing on this thread.
I have however gained some insight on doing your best to stop rust from growing.
The fact of the matter is to be realistic, after a car is painted, rust repaired and or treated, and ''restored'' top to bottom and in and out, it will by no means be subject to the kind of harsh elements that the car was subject to when it was new and it was ''just a car''.
That being said, if someone drove a ''restored'' car as they were when they were new (with a very few exceptions) they would certainly over time become rusty again in 30 or so years.
But, most people nowadays treat their older cars to a much better life than when they were new.
Most are garaged in the winter (mine included except for one car), and only driven in good weather.
So the rust process is mostly arrested by the pampered existence the car is subject to now.
Even if the nearly minimal care is taken in the rust repair process when the car is ''restored'', the car will last many years until a small amount of corrosion is visible.
And that's what the ''fly by night'' restorers are counting on.
The rust repair work in the case of this subject Demon was done well and thorough enough that the subsequent owners won't have to worry about it in their lifetimes.
The only thing that they will have to be worried about is dents or scratches as well as interior issues from use...

You should see some of the butcher jobs I've seen over the years with our beloved Mopars and other makes as well for that matter.
Brutal doesn't even begin to describe it!

And to add, I feel that there are 2 types of rust.
There is ''corrosive rust'' which you see when a car is rusty and it gets between the seams and spot welds and try to pull a car apart from within, it swells all of the joints and begins separating the car from within.
There is no saving the car, you'll never get rid of it and it will continue to grow no matter what you do.
Then there is ''regular rust'' which you see as a jagged quarter panel or a rust hole in a floor or a trunk floor.
The metal around it is solid with some surface rust and that's about it. It doesn't flake off like the dreaded ''corn flake rust'' which comes with the ''corrosive rust'' scenario.

This is my opinion only with my many years of looking at, buying, and dealing with rust issues...

 

[Oldmanmopar]

And to add, I feel that there are 2 types of rust.
There is ''corrosive rust'' which you see when a car is rusty and it gets between the seams and spot welds and try to pull a car apart from within, it swells all of the joints and begins separating the car from within.
There is no saving the car, you'll never get rid of it and it will continue to grow no matter what you do.

This is exactly the rust that I see on this beautifully done Demon . And I don't care where you store a car that was rusted this bad. Only cutting out the holes doesn't stop it. Rust never sleeps. Unless the body is acid dipped and epoxy dipped or totally disassembled .

Patched for resale Like Danny Devito on the movie Matilda. LOL

 

[Super-Cuda]

Well, I'm tired of the arguing on this thread.
I have however gained some insight on doing your best to stop rust from growing.
The fact of the matter is to be realistic, after a car is painted, rust repaired and or treated, and ''restored'' top to bottom and in and out, it will by no means be subject to the kind of harsh elements that the car was subject to when it was new and it was ''just a car''.
That being said, if someone drove a ''restored'' car as they were when they were new (with a very few exceptions) they would certainly over time become rusty again in 30 or so years.
But, most people nowadays treat their older cars to a much better life than when they were new.
Most are garaged in the winter (mine included except for one car), and only driven in good weather.
So the rust process is mostly arrested by the pampered existence the car is subject to now.
Even if the nearly minimal care is taken in the rust repair process when the car is ''restored'', the car will last many years until a small amount of corrosion is visible.
And that's what the ''fly by night'' restorers are counting on.
The rust repair work in the case of this subject Demon was done well and thorough enough that the subsequent owners won't have to worry about it in their lifetimes.
The only thing that they will have to be worried about is dents or scratches as well as interior issues from use...

You should see some of the butcher jobs I've seen over the years with our beloved Mopars and other makes as well for that matter.
Brutal doesn't even begin to describe it!

And to add, I feel that there are 2 types of rust.
There is ''corrosive rust'' which you see when a car is rusty and it gets between the seams and spot welds and try to pull a car apart from within, it swells all of the joints and begins separating the car from within.
There is no saving the car, you'll never get rid of it and it will continue to grow no matter what you do.
Then there is ''regular rust'' which you see as a jagged quarter panel or a rust hole in a floor or a trunk floor.
The metal around it is solid with some surface rust and that's about it. It doesn't flake off like the dreaded ''corn flake rust'' which comes with the ''corrosive rust'' scenario.

This is my opinion only with my many years of looking at, buying, and dealing with rust issues...

Some great points.

Very well said Dartnut.

 

[barbee6043]

I learned this many many decades ago,late ish 80's. I DA'd the car to bare metal, and of course, put on several good coats of the good PPG epoxy primer, BUT there was one pinhole on the bottom of a door, about the size of the head of a ball point pen, thats small, and I failed to cut out that minute spot and weld in good metal. Back then, I did not understand to spray the inside of the door with an acid killing product, after all paint work, and then epoxy prime that inside also. This was MY car, not to sell, no one was paying me to do the work. Anyway, a couple years later I noticed that spot getting a tiny rust spot. Yep. My fault I did not cut that spot out! It rusted from the inside, moisture will get into that door, the car sat out side also. Yea it should have sat in a garage! I should have been born rich also!

Like @Jiunkyardhero mentioned above, how we work on our cars should be what is reasonable to us, the hobbyiest. If a guy takes his car to a shop for work, he has to agree to the level of work done. If that is not to the standard of that shop, they can simply send him elsewhere.

 

[junkyardhero]

Like @Jiunkyardhero mentioned above, how we work on our cars should be what is reasonable to us, the hobbyiest. If a guy takes his car to a shop for work, he has to agree to the level of work done. If that is not to the standard of that shop, they can simply send him elsewhere.

while i agree with you here, a small correction: i was saying that a person was unreasonable.

 

[barbee6043]

while i agree with you here, a small correction: i was saying that a person was unreasonable.

I just try to stay out of two man sack races and pissing matches!

 

[Super-Cuda]

This is exactly the rust that I see on this beautifully done Demon . And I don't care where you store a car that was rusted this bad. Only cutting out the holes doesn't stop it. Rust never sleeps. Unless the body is acid dipped and epoxy dipped or totally disassembled .

Patched for resale Like Danny Devito on the movie Matilda. LOL

You have absolutely no idea of the condition of this car, how much rust was in it or how it was treated and restored.

You didn't see it in person.

You saw the video and immediately jumped to all sorts of conclusions without one fact to back up your claims.

You have presented a poor fact less opinion at best.

Reminds me of the " Experts" I meet at car-shows.

".... Mines better than that!.."

" .... He didn't do this , he didn't do that...."

" ....My Father/Mother/Brother/Sister had one just like it..."

"... Not worth that... I can do it cheaper..."

Right...

 

[mopar head]

It`s official, cabin fever is here.

 

[junkyardhero]

It`s official, cabin fever is here.

non, non, mi amor... we have yet to discuss camshaft holes/clocking/oiling and green bearings!

 

[340six]

You have absolutely no idea of the condition of this car, how much rust was in it or how it was treated and restored.

You didn't see it in person.

You saw the video and immediately jumped to all sorts of conclusions without one fact to back up your claims.

You have presented a poor fact less opinion at best.

Reminds me of the " Experts" I meet at car-shows.

".... Mines better than that!.."

" .... He didn't do this , he didn't do that...."

" ....My Father/Mother/Brother/Sister had one just like it..."

"... Not worth that... I can do it cheaper..."

Right...

My aunt's neighbor's cousin 3rd removed had one just like it, but it had a Hemi. It was better than yours

 

[Super-Cuda]

I just try to stay out of two man sack races and pissing matches!

Yup!

But, there are times when you have to take a stand.

Owning/maintaining Mopars is hard enough without having them crapped on by misinformation.

The hard fact is that the more A-Bodies are restored, the more likelihood that Manufacturers will re-introduce hard to find parts for them.

The auctions provide the exposure for these models and the medium for new owners to buy them.

Look at what happened to the B and E Bodies .

You can now pretty much build one from scratch !