1972 Fender extensions with a 1971 Grille

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    Hi Everyone

    I have a set of '72 fender extensions with the shallow chrome trim. Can anyone advise, from personal experience, if a 1971 grille will fit properly with this configuration? From what I understand, the correct combo for this grille would be fender extensions with the deep trim.

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      You may want to add for what vehicle?
       
    • 70DartMike

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      If you're talking about a 70 - 72 Dart, it fits fine. I have a 70 passenger side chrome bezel, and a 72 drivers side chrome bezel, with a 71 grill, in my 70... If you caught all that.

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        Chevelle or what?
         
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          70-71 grill will not fit with 72 shallow extensions.
           
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            LOL......I guess mentioning the car would be a good thing. It certainly isn't a Chevelle on this forum LOL. At any rate, it is a 1971 340 Demon. I have some really nice shallow extensions and chrome inserts (I assume that they are from 1972) I want to use them on my '71 but wasn't sure if they would work with my Grille. Based on the replies, it would appear that the answer is yes and no??

            I am not at the stage of my build that I can just bolt everything up and try the fit. Just going through my parts to see if I should keep these '72's.

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            The '71 grille will work with the '72 extensions and chrome. While the '72 is visually a little different, it mounts pretty much exactly the same as the '70/'71 grille. The headlight surround sections of the grille are identical on the back, again, the only difference is the cosmetic appearance of the fins. The depth/thickness of all the grille pieces are the same. There are also plenty of people out there running '70 or '71 grilles in their '72 Darts and Demons. The only thing you can't do is run the "shallow" trim on the "deep" extensions, or vice versa. As long as the trim is matched to the extension you can run the extensions with either grille.

            Older thread on the topic dodge demon grills what's the diff?

            And some pictures. I had some '72 pieces at one point so I have compared them side by side. I don't have them anymore so the '72 pictures are sourced from the internet so the angles of all the pictures aren't identical. You can pretty clearly see though that the differences in the headlight surrounds and grilles are purely cosmetic.
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              Thanks for the info. Exactly what I was looking for. I'll save my '72 extensions and trim since they are mint. I wonder why Oldmanmopar disagrees with this? Just curious?
               
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              Who knows. It's not like the grille mounts to the fender extensions. The depth of the grille didn't change. As with anything there are adjustments that can be made to change the clearances, the grille can be shifted around quite a bit on its mounts. The headlight bezels just mount to U-nuts, they move around. It's pretty clear looking at the parts that there's no reason the shallow extensions won't work with the '70 or '71 grille if they work with the '72.

              It can take some patience to get the grille, headlight surrounds, fender extensions and latch panel all properly aligned. I know when I did the front clip swap on my Duster and converted it over to a '71 Demon fitting the fenders, grille and everything else took some time. The body tolerances on these cars were pretty loose, so when you start mixing and matching parts from different cars the fitting process can take a little longer because you have to get all those u-nuts sitting in the right spot for the car you're working on.
               
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                Thanks again 72bluNblu for taking the time for a well composed comparison.
                 
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                Thanks for the reply 70DartMike.
                 
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                Why I disagree is because I tried . The chrome the 71 head light rim hits the chrome trim. I am not going by assumptions as 72bluNblu because i compared them side by side on the shelf? I tried the 72 extension on my Demon with the shallow 72 chrome the head light rim from the 71 rim hit the chrome before seating. . The side of the 71 rim is different. I am not saying without some trimming they won't fit. But none the less good luck. They didn't work for me and I have been doing these Demons a long time.

                I believe this is the same guy who said that they never made a early and late 1970 Duster fender. after I posted pictures he never admitted he was wrong.

                You can save your shallow 72's for your car . but I would suggest picking up a pair of 70 fiberglass they are the best to use of all the extensions and they will fit. the studs are replaceable and again they will fit. On the 71's once the studs break they are very hard to repair but can be done carefully drilling and using 10/32 studs . I just sold 72's on this site. If they would have fit my Demon they would still be here. They are metal with screw in studs unlike the 71's that are white metal studs.

                I have a few to try if you want. Mine did not fit for some reason.

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                  Thanks for the reply Oldmanmopar. It's obvious you know your stuff. I have a set of deep fibreglass, but one of my chrome trim pieces has some scratches on it. I think I'll keep the '72's in the meantime, and source out a clean trim piece to replace my scratched one on the deep extension. When I get that far into my build, I guess I'll experiment. Thanks again. I appreciate your experience.
                   
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                  First, that wasn't me with the Duster fender. I couldn't care less about a mid-year fender change, so I definitely wouldn't argue about it. Leave that for all the OE resto guys and their garage queens, if the fender fits I don't care. That's like arguing a vinyl stripe is a 1/4" too low. No one cares, least of all me.

                  And second, let's be clear here. If the '71 and '72 headlight surrounds are dimensionally the same, and they ARE, then the '72 headlight grille surround wouldn't fit a '72 with the shallow extensions either. But I've been down this road with you before, so I figured it'd be faster to just mount up the '72 extension I have left over on my '71 Dart and show you that you're wrong rather than try to discuss logic.

                  So, here's my '71 Dart with it's factory extension, trim, and grille. It was dinged up by the previous owner so it has to come off anyway
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                  Here's the original extension and the extra shallow one I still had, you can clearly see the shallow one matches the ones posted above, it hasn't been modified.
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                  And now we're cooking with gas. The '72 shallow extension, mounted on my '71 fender, with the headlight surround installed. Clearance everywhere. The top lip where the trim mount looks close, but it's clear by well over a 1/4". I'd mount up the trim if I had one for the passenger side, but there's room all the way around so it won't hit anything. All the parts here are original '71 parts except for the fender extension.
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                  The '72 trim piece I do have is for the other side, but I'll post it here just so it's obvious that it doesn't have anything sticking out anywhere that would interfere. The lip on the trim is flush with the extension, if the extension doesn't hit, neither will the trim.
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                  So now that I've posted pictures, are you going to admit you were wrong?

                  You can absolutely use the shallow fender extensions and trim with a '71 grille. I tried it, it works, there's the pictures.
                   
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                    Quite the gang! Most times I love them more than I like people (lol).

                    Take care

                    Thanks to everyone who replied.
                     
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