273 crankshaft, 5.2 Magnum

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    Can a 273 crank be used in a 5.2 Magnum engine? Magnum damper on 273 crank?
     
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    Balance has to be considered. I can't quite figure out if the crank balance is the same. Magnum 5.2L piston+pin+ring weights are very close to LA 318, but the Magnum rods may not be the same. I just don't have the rod data.

    What year of 273 crank?
     
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    magnum rods have a different width little end, narrower. So thats potentially less weight right there. Also lack of fuel pump eccentric on magnum crank.
     
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    The fuel pump eccentric is on the camshaft, not the crankshaft.
     
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      1965
       
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      It should bolt in and go. All 318s were neutral balanced that I know of.
       
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        Doh! Of course I knew that....WTH?
         
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          The 1965 273 crankshaft has the small torque converter pilot diameter. Just so you're aware! 65'
           
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            Yes, that's a fit problem for the trannie. The OP would have to have the crank pilot hole turned out.

            I worked out the bobweights with the data I have. 273 and 5.2L are pretty close but it still may be off enough to be 10-20 grams off of balance..... or some of my data is a bit off.

            I think RRR is correct on both being neutral balanced for the dampers and TC/flex-plate/flywheel.
             
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            I think 10-20g is within factory spec. Ive heard motors being much more out off the line.
             
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            If I was to mis match components I would have the machine shop properly balance the rotating assembly.
             
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            What we need to know is why the OP wants to put a 273 crank in a Magnum.
             
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            probably wanting a forged steel crank instead of cast
             
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              Well, the tolerance around a number may be that much, but what I am coming from is that the nominal numbers are that much off.

              BUT, the good news is that I just weighed some 2 BBL 273 rods & pistons and pins, and with the new data, the bobweight number is < 10 grams off from my 5.2L Magnum data. So this looks pretty decent for being balanced.

              Racing? No way. Going in the pickup to go out and cut firewood? A-OK

              I'm curious about that too.
               
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                One thing you have to remember is how the rods are balanced. Not just total weight but end to end. 100_4954.JPG 100_4957.JPG 100_4956.JPG
                 
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                Absolutely.... I don't work out bobweight info unless I have big and small end weight data too. I've gotten to where I just give my bobweight number and crank to the machinist.
                 
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                Why is that pertinent? Might simply be what he has.......OR as has been said maybe he wants a steel crank. The why really doesn't change anything.
                 
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                Oh just curious. Sometimes people have crazy ideas. It's more like why would you need to?
                 
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                  Maybe he was gonna wear the rods as a necklace? LOL
                   
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                    Using an A833, crankshaft has pilot bearing.
                     
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                    Because I have a good one and 5.2M crank needs ground.
                     
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                      It might work but there will be other things that won't be right. Why take the risk. Just turn and polish the Magnum crank.
                       
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                      I plan to have it balanced, new O.S. pistons, flywheel, clutch, PP and damper.
                       
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                        What's the average cost of -.020 rod & main journals? Anyone have crank ground lately? What others things won't be right?
                         
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                        Balancing is going to cost 2-3 times grinding a crank. If you are not racing, then changing pistons to oversize does not necessitate a re-balance. So haw hard are you going to be running this engine?

                        Just be aware: Since both the 273 and 5.2 are 'internal balance' engines, there is no need to balance the crank with the external parts. Each of those external parts are individually balanced.

                        $125-$150 as a guess on the regrind.