1. autoxcuda

    autoxcuda Well-Known Member

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    I see your point now.

    I agree, there are ways around things. And be careful with "absolute" type statements.
     
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  2. mbaird

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    I figured it was not the case but was too lazy to LOL my post .
     
  3. TT5.9mag

    TT5.9mag Two atmospheres are better than one

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    No engine builder worth a damn degrees a cam by the TDC mark on the balancer. In fact that’s not “degreeing” at all. Please explain to me how you would set intake centerline with a balancer. I’ll wait. You have a very long list of credentials on your website, it’s amazing to me to read some of the comments you’re making here.
     
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    • 92b

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      I have checked the intake centerline on complete motors to verify that it is or is not the cause of a poorly running engine. First verify tdc is correct on the balancer with a piston stop. Then connect a dial indicator to #1 intake pushrod. I use the .050 before and after method. Mark the balancer accordingly. Mearsure the circumference of the balancer. Divide by 360. Now you know distance in inches per degree. Measure and do the math.
       
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      • TT5.9mag

        TT5.9mag Two atmospheres are better than one

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        As a check, maybe. But there is no way measuring and marking a balancer is accurate enough to move a cam one or two degrees. I’ll say it again, no engine builder worth a damn uses a balancer to degree a cam. And my original statement is still my main point, a bad balancer has no effect on cam timing.
         
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        Putting a motor together. I use a degree wheel. If I didn't have access to a degree wheel (or on a bet or dare lol) and had to use the balancer I'm pretty sure I could get it within a couple degrees. 2 degrees from recomended centerline is more likely to shift the power in the rpm range. Not loose the kind of power that this motor is supposedly down. Just so there is no misunderstanding I use a degree wheel when assembling an engine.
         
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        • Bakerlite

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          A nice big degree wheel
           
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            I seem to remember a "lobe lift" at TDC measurement. Could do that with just a dial gauge. Use a Piston stop if the heads are on.
             
          • RustyRatRod

            RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

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            I like using a degree wheel along WITH a compression gauge. I've found I can zoom in on where "I" want the cam that way.
             
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            • 92b

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              How do you use the compression gauge to determine where you want the intake centerline?
               
            • furrystump

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              36 degs seems like a bunch. 34 degs here and it is pretty sensitive to timing. 2 degs is a big difference. So really there are questions on how mechanically sound it was. Curious what you find out. Plus I REALLY like hearing the spec’s on that Butterscotch Duster!!!!! ! Actually he will tell you anything waiting for the rain to stop!!! Nothing super high tech in it. Very efficient and always losing weight! Like, take the trunk key off the key chain type of weight loss! Constantly yelling at me for weight!
               
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              [QUOTE Like, take the trunk key off the key chain type of weight loss! Constantly yelling at me for weight![/QUOTE]

              Well, how about an aluminum key with a lightening hole?

              aluminun A990 key.jpg
               
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              • rumblefish360

                rumblefish360 I have escaped the evil Empire State! FABO Gold Member

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                LMAO! That’s funny right there!
                :rofl:
                 
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                • Ceedawg

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                  Well, how about an aluminum key with a lightening hole?

                  View attachment 1715940171 [/QUOTE]
                  Skeleton key
                   
                • PRH

                  PRH Well-Known Member

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                  Any updates or noteworthy findings?
                   
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                  • TT5.9mag

                    TT5.9mag Two atmospheres are better than one

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                    yup waiting patiently for news.
                     
                  • Scampin

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                    Well, how about an aluminum key with a lightening hole?

                    View attachment 1715940171 [/QUOTE]

                    Where can one find one of those?
                     
                  • dusterbing the peace

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                    All keys are equipped with a lightening hole as produced, then some genius figured out you could put a ring through the hole and stack a bunch of keys together. Great idea for consolidating lightweight keys together, until you stack too many thus negating the weight saving effect. But, if you invest in a titanium ring you’ll be back on track for the initial goal of speed…and strength to boot:steering:
                     
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                    Like the redneck who had this gigantic ring of keys hanging from his belt, but the only locks he had was his pickup and double wide.
                     
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                    • ian

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                      I think i would check your valve springs pressure and how they are installed, i normally run a bit heaver than the cam company sugest and your lift would be less than the carb by 030 with deflection, my 422 makes 750 hp aspirated and 570 ft lbs, horses for courses your small heads for a 422 and would be holding you back a bit.
                       
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                      • Nat

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                        my stockish except for tf heads made 450 hp 430 tq something very wrong with the setup , intake and heads to small my 426 stroker not well set up made 520 560tq so something is very wrong
                         
                      • Jim Ward

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                        An update:

                        Jack with Valley did a great job giving my motor a once over and found the distributor to get junk (replaced with MSD), spark plugs gapped way too tight as they appeared to never be checked out of the box and the butterflies for the secondaries on the carb hitting the divider in the air gap intake. The motor liked 34 degrees best with 76 and 80 jets. Made 507 ft lbs and 455 hp. There was a slight oil leak out of the front of the intake so when he has it off he is going to gasket match the ports and it’s going in the car. I am a little short of my 500hp goal with the iron heads but he says with the heads milled a little to increase compression (currently he calculated 9.2:1) and a larger cam he believes 500 hp is doable.

                        Thank you to everyone for tue insight and suggestions on this build.
                         
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                        • 512Stroker

                          512Stroker We are all here because we are not all there.

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                          I had the same oil leaking issue with my AirGap.
                          The manifold sealing surface over hangs the china wall at the passanger side front corner causing a gap. Easy to miss.
                           
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                          • Jeff Seighman

                            Jeff Seighman not my real name

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                            Happy to hear your getting it sorted out, looks like 500 Hp is in your future.
                             
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                            • autoxcuda

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                              Little over 1hp / cubic inch with around 240 @ .050 cam and 110 centerline cam. And over 500 ft lbs torque. Seems to be on par with others unless they have "happy dynos".

                              Nice care free street engine. I'd think even traction limited on street.
                               
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