68 /69 Dart GTS 340 Negative Battery Cable Length

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Quick question: I've been looking at new reproduction negative battery cables on-line for a 1968 and 1969 340 Dart GTS. What I've seen is the repops are 19" in length center to center, but when I look in the parts book, the 68 cable (part number 2525348) is called out at 28" in length. The 69 cable (part number 2421199) is called out at 30". I also purchased (and returned) some off of Ebay that were 31.5" !! What are the correct negative battery cables supposed to be ? Many thanks !

Leigh
 
Quick question: I've been looking at new reproduction negative battery cables on-line for a 1968 and 1969 340 Dart GTS. What I've seen is the repops are 19" in length center to center, but when I look in the parts book, the 68 cable (part number 2525348) is called out at 28" in length. The 69 cable (part number 2421199) is called out at 30". I also purchased (and returned) some off of Ebay that were 31.5" !! What are the correct negative battery cables supposed to be ? Many thanks !

Leigh
Someone on here used to make them. Maybe they'll chime in.:popcorn:
 
Not a direct answer but some more clues
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Let's see what 8 is for '68 (D Series) with LA engine.
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I read this as:
V-8 gets 2822 641 in 1967 and 68 unless its a
67 Dart GT or a 68-69 Dart GTS
They got Ground cable 2197 187

(and probably the Barracuda 8 as well)

Looking at the 68 parts book, those p/n don't appear in the index.
It's possible that the replacement parts were not the same as the assembly line parts.
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I don't know the "proper" length, but the length will depend on where you attach it to the engine. Some are attached to a bolt hole on the front of the drivers side head, some are attached to an intake manifold bolt or to a boss on the intake manifold.

I have seen a couple photos now which shows the negative going behind the battery to the front of the head

My 67 273 has the negative cable running from the battery negative directly to the front of the head.

If the 19" is direct then the 28-30 would probably go behind the batt.

Green dashed line what I have seen in photos
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I usually build my 1/0 cables to 26-28 inches. Prefer to put it on the front of the head as to not mess with an intake bolt.

Early cars, get a cable with an auxiliary ground lead to the core support

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If the 19" is direct then the 28-30 would probably go behind the batt.
It's prob what we'ld all do when handed a replacement that long.
Fan blades and 'lectric wires don't mix
 
Thank you gentlemen ! Looks like a wealth of information. One friend texted me and says his 68 GTS (original car) has a 20" cable (close to the 19") so I'm assuming it doesn't go behind the battery. maybe it was a mid-year change in 68 to go to 28" one. Anyway, no one in the aftermarket seems to make a 28" cable, so I'll probaby use the 19" one.....many, many thanks !
 
Seriously. For whatever reason the replacement part is different. It's long enough to be used with multiple applications included the six cylinder. That happened on other parts too like alternators. This one is a little surprising because its physicly different than the factory part.
There's a few members here who have a greater understanding of the parts system.
@Vaanth and @townsend come to mind
 

@crackedback makes them. Awesome quality shown in reply #8.
Thank you gentlemen ! Looks like a wealth of information. One friend texted me and says his 68 GTS (original car) has a 20" cable (close to the 19") so I'm assuming it doesn't go behind the battery. maybe it was a mid-year change in 68 to go to 28" one. Anyway, no one in the aftermarket seems to make a 28" cable, so I'll probaby use the 19" one.....many, many thanks !
 
Seriously. For whatever reason the replacement part is different. It's long enough to be used with multiple applications included the six cylinder. That happened on other parts too like alternators. This one is a little surprising because its physicly different than the factory part.
There's a few members here who have a greater understanding of the parts system.
@Vaanth and @townsend come to mind

Production numbers and choices are not always the same as replacement, or service, parts listed in the parts catalogs as intended for dealer use. In some cases, production versus service number differences are documented, such as the case for transmission assemblies and alternators, and some wiring in the later 1970s. In other cases, such as the battery cables, the differences do not show in the parts catalogs. Part consolidation also occurred where one replacement part might replace multiple production line parts and/or applications.

The helpful diagrams in post #3 show the varied production cables for series C/D/E (1967/1968/1969) and the varied A-body references, but the simplified and consolidated parts catalog replacement is a single part to replace all for most 1968 and a different but still consolidated coverage for 1969.

Negative ground cable, part number 2525348, is a general replacement #6 gauge cable and it is long enough to fit multiple engine (including six cylinder) and body applications. 2525348 was in use from 1963 through 1968 (Imperial through 1966) to fit the A/B/C/D body lines for all engines, except 426 Hemi (more due to its larger #4 gauge than length). Due to the multiple fitment, this 28" cable is longer than the varied production cables and long enough to fit all the multiple applications.

In 1969 cable part number 2421199, a heavier #4 gauge, 30" cable was the service replacement for A-body and B-body (except 426 Hemi) applications as well as superseding 2525348 for earlier applications. The 1969 C-bodies reverted to the older 1962, shorter 23" replacement cable, part number 1879944, due to different orientation (this cable was also used previously on A-bodies). Imperials switched to another older, heavy #1 gauge, 27" cable, part number 1879949.

The A-body 8-cylinder production negative cable length was ~19" from bolt eyelet center to post terminal center. The longer 28" and 30" replacement cables could fit the larger cars and accommodate the longer length for the six cylinder engine.

In 1970, things became even more varied with battery cables, and the additional lead for body ground was added to the negative cables. The service replacement for A/B/E-bodies with 8-cylinder engines, except 426 Hemi, was a shorter, 23", #6 gauge cable. The six cylinder replacement was now a separate 27.5" cable. The shorter length, especially coupled with the separate body lead, enabled a drop back to #6 gauge, which the reduction itself, though adequate, was not the best engineering choice, but accounting demands often override engineering.

More changes continued through the 1970s. The 1970 negative cables stayed the same through 1972. A minor change occurred in 1973 with the wider B and C bodies. The A and E body cables remained the same lengths, but the cable style differed some. Cables continued to evolve although the negative cables continued to remain similar through 1980.


 
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Look for sales literature of the time and see if any sales photos show anything
 
Gary,
Many thanks for that in-depth review of the 68/69 A Body battery cables. I agree that the longer versions were probably made available to service other models / engine types as to save Mopar space in their parts warehouse ! I'll go with the 19" versions. Thanks again
Leigh
 
Production numbers and choices are not always the same as replacement, or service, parts listed in the parts catalogs as intended for dealer use. In some cases, production versus service number differences are documented, such as the case for transmission assemblies and alternators, and some wiring in the later 1970s. In other cases, such as the battery cables, the differences do not show in the parts catalogs. Part consolidation also occurred where one replacement part might replace multiple production line parts and/or applications.

The helpful diagrams in post #3 show the varied production cables for series C/D/E (1967/1968/1969) and the varied A-body references, but the simplified and consolidated parts catalog replacement is a single part to replace all for most 1968 and a different but still consolidated coverage for 1969.

Negative ground cable, part number 2525348, is a general replacement #6 gauge cable and it is long enough to fit multiple engine (including six cylinder) and body applications. 2525348 was in use from 1963 through 1968 (Imperial through 1966) to fit the A/B/C/D body lines for all engines, except 426 Hemi (more due to its larger #4 gauge than length). Due to the multiple fitment, this 28" cable is longer than the varied production cables and long enough to fit all the multiple applications.

In 1969 cable part number 2421199, a heavier #4 gauge, 30" cable was the service replacement for A-body and B-body (except 426 Hemi) applications as well as superseding 2525348 for earlier applications. The 1969 C-bodies reverted to the older 1962, shorter 23" replacement cable, part number 1879944, due to different orientation (this cable was also used previously on A-bodies). Imperials switched to another older, heavy #1 gauge, 27" cable, part number 1879949.

The A-body 8-cylinder production negative cable length was ~19" from bolt eyelet center to post terminal center. The longer 28" and 30" replacement cables could fit the larger cars and accommodate the longer length for the six cylinder engine.

In 1970, things became even more varied with battery cables, and the additional lead for body ground was added to the negative cables. The service replacement for A/B/E-bodies with 8-cylinder engines, except 426 Hemi, was a shorter, 23", #6 gauge cable. The six cylinder replacement was now a separate 27.5" cable. The shorter length, especially coupled with the separate body lead, enabled a drop back to #6 gauge, which the reduction itself, though adequate, was not the best engineering choice, but accounting demands often override engineering.

More changes continued through the 1970s. The 1970 negative cables stayed the same through 1972. A minor change occurred in 1973 with the wider B and C bodies. The A and E body cables remained the same lengths, but the cable style differed some. Cables continued to evolve although the negative cables continued to remain similar through 1980.


Good info. I bought my neg. cable in 87' when I restored my 69' 340 Swinger. It came from a Mopar source. It is a 23", not including the ends. It is attached to the driver front of the head, with a plastic tie down, attached to the lower battery tray, by a push button end. All of the cable is on the engine side, going to the head.
 
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