68 Hemi Dart quarter panels...

SUPER STOCK HEMI Barracuda and Dart forum

  1. MAPS

    MAPS FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

    Messages:
    893
    Likes Received:
    232
    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Location:
    Montreal, Canada
    Local Time:
    6:53 PM
    Hey...lo Moparites.

    I'm curious to know why are the rear quarter panels on the Hemi Dart different on a few cars ?
    Where these all from the factory as they tend to show now-a-days. Slicks fitting in the rear add if they were made to accommodate 11-12 inch wide slicks and rubbing etc.
    Were they"cut" by Hurst or did the factory send them out like that ? Better yet, if from the Mr. Dodge's Homebase of factory line production where the 68 Darts (340 383,/6 etc) fitted with the same quarters ?

    Thanks.
    MAPS
     
  2. Steven190

    Steven190 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,233
    Likes Received:
    630
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2012
    Location:
    Omaha
    Local Time:
    5:53 PM
    I think that they were modified by Hurst
     
  3. ns1rm21

    ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    544
    Likes Received:
    383
    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2008
    Local Time:
    5:53 PM
    5E080EA6-9A9A-4A2E-A411-E16194D53127.png I believe there was three different cutouts used on these cars. The first pattern was the smallest. The front area went straight down like in this picture.View attachment 1715558854
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2020
    • Like Like x 2
    • ns1rm21

      ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

      Messages:
      544
      Likes Received:
      383
      Joined:
      Feb 22, 2008
      Local Time:
      5:53 PM
      The third pattern was cut at an angle like this....
      The second pattern was in the middle of these two. 333DB793-DE92-4EA0-A6D7-E230CC36B455.jpeg
       
      • Like Like x 2
      • MAPS

        MAPS FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

        Messages:
        893
        Likes Received:
        232
        Joined:
        Nov 1, 2015
        Location:
        Montreal, Canada
        Local Time:
        6:53 PM
        Much appreciated...
        Do you know if this was true in any way for the 68 Barracuda? (Hemi)

        MAPS
         
      • SSing

        SSing Well-Known Member

        Messages:
        1,000
        Likes Received:
        263
        Joined:
        Feb 24, 2012
        Location:
        upland, sweden
        Local Time:
        12:53 AM
        Unless info for these two pics found on the webb are wrong.
        Not sure of your description of wheel well here. Can be the angle fooling the eye. Lower body side curving under car.
        This pic here is same car (Bagshaw´s) different angle. To me front lower part of wheel well looks to be intakt... unless of cause two very different cuts were made on same car. But I dont thing we shall exaggregate the fact some differances occured.
        The Barracudas did not have any modes done to them from Chrysler or Hurst.
        One has to very carefule when judging pics. A picture from 1968-69 usually shows a car not having any modes done to it. NHRA did not allow any. 1970 though, same car may run Pro Stock, and same wheel well may look different.
        Now the race is on and you can see all kind of modes start to show up on cars.
        A good sighn is if car is running SS B Class. That means either 1968 or 1969 and as said no mods where allowed.
        red light bandit 2.jpg
         
        Last edited: Jul 11, 2020
      • ns1rm21

        ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

        Messages:
        544
        Likes Received:
        383
        Joined:
        Feb 22, 2008
        Local Time:
        5:53 PM
        When I was building my Dart 8+ years ago I was going nuts trying to figure out the wheel wells in these cars. I found an old racer from back in the day that new a lot about these cars and we talked. He said there were three main runs of the Darts and do to time and parts availability these were all unique in there own way. Shortly after the first run of Darts they found that with even the modifications done to the opening getting a slick in the was still tight. The bottom wheel opening ( let’s say 3 o’clock and 9 o’clock) where not modified, only the top sections were. On the second run of cars they moved the forward lip half way between the stock and where the inner tub started. The third mod they moved the opening all the was to the inner tub. This is what he told me and all the research at the time it made perfect sense.
        Here is some photos on how I cut my own wheel well openings. C5B98B32-1E17-4AF5-A12D-B8C0FACE9DBE.jpeg EF3E520C-7F46-42C1-A043-635F07E82023.jpeg 16FC2647-147A-4D71-8F4E-83805ED7D2B0.png 0B84905F-2FA3-4083-99BE-0F5EF6F71632.png 65A0B228-28B1-4375-9B84-C0519C2F38C7.jpeg
         
        • Like Like x 4
        • SSing

          SSing Well-Known Member

          Messages:
          1,000
          Likes Received:
          263
          Joined:
          Feb 24, 2012
          Location:
          upland, sweden
          Local Time:
          12:53 AM
          Thank you. This I like. Facts and original pics...
           
          • Like Like x 1
          • abodyjoe

            abodyjoe Well-Known Member

            Messages:
            22,168
            Likes Received:
            8825
            Joined:
            May 22, 2004
            Location:
            Berlin,N.J. 08009
            Local Time:
            6:53 PM
            they were hacked at hurst who did the conversions.. sure no two were exactly the same.
             
            • Agree Agree x 3
            • MAPS

              MAPS FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

              Messages:
              893
              Likes Received:
              232
              Joined:
              Nov 1, 2015
              Location:
              Montreal, Canada
              Local Time:
              6:53 PM
              Awesome info guys...
              Thank you.
              MAPS
               
            • famous bob

              famous bob mopar misfit

              Messages:
              19,857
              Likes Received:
              8858
              Joined:
              Aug 14, 2011
              Location:
              okla
              Local Time:
              5:53 PM
              And they all looked like hacked crap ---------
               
              • Like Like x 2
              • ns1rm21

                ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

                Messages:
                544
                Likes Received:
                383
                Joined:
                Feb 22, 2008
                Local Time:
                5:53 PM
                64A2C485-DEFC-474B-84F8-C96FAE554D8F.jpeg If you look closely in this photo you can still see the soot from when they brazed the wheel lip over.
                 
              • Malex

                Malex Well-Known Member

                Messages:
                377
                Likes Received:
                1129
                Joined:
                Apr 22, 2016
                Location:
                Canada
                Local Time:
                5:53 PM
                —-
                When I was doing mine I found that the body lines at that 3 and 9 o’clock positions was the optimal place to change the transition, both below and above. The bottom front I ended flush to the tub and the bottom at the rear was not altered. Once I had the left side done I made a template and used it for the right side. Building the tub into the wheel opening lip took lots of time.
                CF1F961D-8081-4C90-BCE9-258ACABE8700.jpeg

                EA7FFE62-D1EE-4891-9CE5-9210D875901B.jpeg

                23A40860-AAAC-4109-96A4-8715BE62091A.jpeg
                 
                Last edited: Sep 5, 2020
                • Like Like x 8
                • RustyRatRod

                  RustyRatRod I was born on a Monday. Not last Monday. FABO Gold Member

                  Messages:
                  81,363
                  Likes Received:
                  60925
                  Joined:
                  Jun 7, 2010
                  Location:
                  Georgia
                  Local Time:
                  6:53 PM
                  Cool stuff yall!
                   
                • ns1rm21

                  ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

                  Messages:
                  544
                  Likes Received:
                  383
                  Joined:
                  Feb 22, 2008
                  Local Time:
                  5:53 PM
                  Wow, very nice and clean. Good job!!
                   
                  • Agree Agree x 1
                  • MAPS

                    MAPS FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

                    Messages:
                    893
                    Likes Received:
                    232
                    Joined:
                    Nov 1, 2015
                    Location:
                    Montreal, Canada
                    Local Time:
                    6:53 PM

                    I noticed that there is only 1 leafspring, is that because of a Caltracs set up or the likes ?
                     
                  • hemicop

                    hemicop Well-Known Member

                    Messages:
                    835
                    Likes Received:
                    86
                    Joined:
                    Sep 26, 2007
                    Location:
                    Phoenix, Az.
                    Local Time:
                    4:53 PM
                    Someone I knew hthat claimed to have worked at the Hurst factory said they had a guy on either side of the car, a template & sawzall and that was pretty much it. I've seen cars where the quarters weren't even on the same car which would account for the inconsistencies we all worry about here. One guys reference point view may not be the same as the others while working on the same car. I recall being at "Mopars at the Strip" years ago & a collector brought out 3 Darts as barn-finds on display. Not a single one had anything in common with each other as to engine-bay parts placement, etc. suggesting verifying as restored car "as shipped" nowadays would be next to impossible. The best I could see is do one based on whatever picture one can find & call it good. Afterall, these WERE racecars built to be completed by the buyers & were always modified to fit the class.
                     
                    • Like Like x 3
                    • ns1rm21

                      ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

                      Messages:
                      544
                      Likes Received:
                      383
                      Joined:
                      Feb 22, 2008
                      Local Time:
                      5:53 PM
                      I believe there are a total of three different cut outs that were used. The first generation is the least common seen where the front of the opening is straight up and down. The third generation has a very strong angle that is the most common done seen the the second generation is in the middle. Here is the first generation 1D8223C3-177C-45D1-94BB-1ED27DD6EFC8.png
                       
                      • Like Like x 1
                      • ns1rm21

                        ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

                        Messages:
                        544
                        Likes Received:
                        383
                        Joined:
                        Feb 22, 2008
                        Local Time:
                        5:53 PM
                        Here is the third generation. I not 100% sure where this drawing originated from. The date is later than the last run for these cars. AC7B9EA5-4753-4FBA-96F2-5B0F956F9554.png
                         
                        • Like Like x 3
                        • 71Dartman440

                          71Dartman440 Kansas440

                          Messages:
                          53
                          Likes Received:
                          23
                          Joined:
                          Nov 28, 2010
                          Location:
                          Wichita
                          Local Time:
                          5:53 PM
                          "REEDS COPY" and signature looks like it reads Bullet Bob. Great racer - RIP in 2017.
                           
                        • ns1rm21

                          ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

                          Messages:
                          544
                          Likes Received:
                          383
                          Joined:
                          Feb 22, 2008
                          Local Time:
                          5:53 PM
                          Here is a little update for anybody looking for templates. I get this question all the time, who is selling a good accurate template? Well guess what, I am!!
                          For the past few weeks myself and Steve Wall (autoxcuda) have been working on the artwork and verbiage in making a accurate template that will show both types (early and late model year cutouts) of cutouts used on the Hemi Darts. I will include directions on how to draw it out, make cuts, tools used and the procedure I used in welding it back together. I believe these should be ready in late Jan or early Feb 2022 so stay tuned. 9D351808-BBBA-4311-88E2-0FC4D40DDB9B.jpeg
                           
                          • Like Like x 8
                          • MOPARMAGA

                            MOPARMAGA FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

                            Messages:
                            2,721
                            Likes Received:
                            2028
                            Joined:
                            Aug 20, 2019
                            Location:
                            Yakima Wa
                            Local Time:
                            3:53 PM
                            I'm interested, put me on the list please
                             
                          • rmchrgr

                            rmchrgr Skate And Destroy

                            Messages:
                            3,464
                            Likes Received:
                            304
                            Joined:
                            Apr 15, 2008
                            Location:
                            Stamford, CT
                            Local Time:
                            6:53 PM
                            Cool, nice work! I don't have a Dart at the moment but maybe I need to find one! How are you going to offer these? PDF?

                            I've read more than one source say Hurst used a Coronet front fender opening and turned it around or something like that.
                             
                          • ns1rm21

                            ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

                            Messages:
                            544
                            Likes Received:
                            383
                            Joined:
                            Feb 22, 2008
                            Local Time:
                            5:53 PM
                            Hello. The temple will be sold outright. Most people don’t have a printer that will print 24” wide. I’m working on the templet as I’m writing this. So far I have about thirty hours into it trying to perfect everything. I’ll let everybody know when ready.
                            Thanks for asking. Troy
                             
                            • Thanks! Thanks! x 1
                            1. This site uses cookies to help personalize content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
                              By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.