Yes sir! Like I said, decisions, decisions......
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I have heard AMC lifters and oiling via pushrod is possible too...but I havent seen that one done in person.
Got a set. Gonna study that one.
My understanding is AMC lifters and pushrods will only oil pedestal (magnum) type rockers in stock form, not LA heads/shafts. Oil will make it up the pushrod & lube the pushrod/rocker cup, but stops there. Does not get pressurized oil to the Rocker/Shaft interface, nor cool the springs. Must do the rear oiling mod, or have the block drilled (iffy proposition from what I've read) or wait for & pay for the rockers that Harland Sharp is making to go with the new Trick Flow heads that are supposedly coming out.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to spread mis-information, oh, that and I will be going down these same paths in the not too distant future and want to get it right.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to spread mis-information, oh, that and I will be going down these same paths in the not too distant future and want to get it right.
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You'd think they'd be MUCH more popular and affordable given what's going on with the LS engine. As usual, Chevy has everything and Mopar hardly nothing.
Chicken or the egg? Does the aftermarket not support the Hemi because the Mopar guys don't want it, or do the Mopar guys not want it because the aftermarket doesn't support it?
Whenever Chevy or Ford comes out with something new the enthusiasts embrace it. Mopar guys...well, not so much. I'll noticed an all or nothing mentality in the Mopar community my whole life. Mopar guys didn't care about anything but max wedges and hemis until they were just about extinct. Then it was big block or nothing. Truthfully I think the LA has more interest today than at any other point in time, and it's do to people finally being forced that way.
I truthfully don't think the Magnum is going to be the answer. In the grand scheme of things they really weren't produced very long, and haven't been made in almost 20 years. A lot of them were already in the junkyards when scrap prices were high. I hardly ever see them in the junkyards around here.
I don't understand why there's little interest in the G3's from either side(consumers or manufacturers). There's so many cheap hemi cores it's amazing.
A LOT of it has to do with Mopar not having a RWD car for what? 25 years? They've never gotten over that, IMO. When they finally did come out with one, it was overpriced, over weight and under powered. Somebody forgot all about the Roar Runner theory. Bare bones, light and fast.
You are absolutely right. Theirs definitely two completely different Mopar camps. The muscle car guys and the 2000's guys. They're was no GN, Mustang, Monte SS, to bridge that gap for Mopar. The majority of the new guys are bolt-on guys. They don't know a cam from a crank.
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Mopar guys are def a bit more protective of the name and culture. I’d love to see more aftermarket stuff for our cars! I agree with the 2000’s and old school club. I got into it in the 2000’s and I’m into it.
I can't say how many different types of Mopar enthusiasts there are, but to me its a generational thing. I got into Mopars in the early 80's, but watched NASCAR and was a fan of Richard Petty back when he drove a Charger in the mid 70's. Mopars that interest me are from about 1957 to about 1993, engines in cubic inches, not liters. I have maybe 20-25 years left to play with this stuff, haven't scratched the surface of the so called "old school", the newer stuff is of no interest to me. Never will be. I like old movies, prior to the 80's, along with music from the 50's to about the mid 90's. Its generational for me, can't relate to what comes afterwards. There's still plenty of new in the old for some.
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It might be that it takes so dam much $ and research to make a gen 3 run right . All the sensors, trans., electronics and such. If they`d offer a stand alone kit where none of that sh-- was needed ----------!
I wouldn`t even think about it at my age.
I would however entertain thots of an old school sbc , with 660 h.p. , that about anybody could make run !!
As I understand it, Chrysler made the ECM on the G3 Hemis virtually untunable to the common man. So if you pull an engine from a late model car (don't forget the miles of wiring that goes with it), you are stuck using the factory tune. If this has changed let me know. I see guys hooking up their laptops to their LS platforms and changing fuel and timing curves etc. I've heard you can send them off to a specialist and they can reflash your ECM, but without your car they would be putting in a generic program at best.
If someone would build a kit that would allow a person to bolt a late model Hemi into ANY vehicle and tune it properly, I think it would be wildly successful.
I agree with the notion the Magnum cores will be gone quickly also. If it was easy and affordable I'd be all over the G3. I know the LS guys are laughing there asses off.
Hopefully that's where demand will steer this.
Hopefully that's where demand will steer this.
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I don’t think 485 hp and 470 ft/pds fuel injected engine is a “basic running engine”. Are mopar parts more expensive absolutely. Is 10,000 high for that performance level and fuel injection? I don’t think so.
Yes, I would absolutely call that a basic engine. What you just described is a bone stock 6.4. even buying a used one you'd have a hard time keeping it under $10k. Don't forget your $1,000 headers, fuel system, gauges, what trans are you gonna use? A8? Good luck with that. So add more money for adapters and a custom torque converter. In my opinion $10k minimum for a bone stock engine is insanity.
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$800 for TTI headers for an LA, run the same combination from the flex plate back as you would with an LA. Cope sells a flexplate you can run a regular 727 converter with. What fuel injection system is less than $3000 for your LA? Add up what it would cost to build an LA to that level. Can you do a sb chevy cheaper sure. But LA to gen III? An lt1 crate at that level is $9700.
Well, the problem is that $10k is the price of admission. There really is no cheap way to put a hemi in an old car. As far as an LT crate motor costing the same...it doesn't matter. People who buy crate motors are such a small minority. I can tell you from experience that the average LS swap is completed for under $3k. If people want to drop $10k on an LS swap that's the choice they made. Guys looking to swap a hemi don't have a choice.
I would really like to use a hemi. Here's where my research has brought me. Hard core info on G3s is pretty hard to find. I have personally torn down about 20 of them (a mix of old 5.7, 6.1, and eagle 5.7).
The old 5.7 and 6.1 are by far the easiest to swap. Cores are cheap, MSD and fast make ignition controllers, and there's carb intakes available for the 5.7 (they can be modified for the 6.1 and most are obscenely priced). The downfall with the old 5.7 and 6.1 is that the cores are usually beat, and need a full rebuild. Every one I've opened had scored bearings, beat pistons, some level of valve train carnage, and a couple had dropped seats. The pistons and rods in these engines were not even suitable for stock engines, much less performance applications. So you can add forged pistons and rods to a complete rebuild, a $600 ignition controller, $800 headers, a $1,000 intake. So you can see that we are quickly approaching that $10k mark....and we have done nothing to address the bearing wear or the valve train eating itself. Oiling issues, poor factory tolerances...who knows. There's a million theory's, but if anybody knows for sure how to fix these problems they are keeping it to themselves. So now you are a $10k guinea pig. No thanks.
The eagle motors I've opened had all the old issues with the exception of the valve seats. The eagles have the great heads, and are easy to find with low mileage so a rebuild probably won't be a necessity. There are some other issues that need figuring out though. There's no stand alone ignition controller available. People have theorized that by replacing the tone ring with one from 6.1 MIGHT solve the issue, but I can't find anyone who's actually done it. Now you have to contend with VVT and MDS. Sure you can lock it out easy enough, but no one I can find makes non VVT cams for VVT engines. So you have to find someone to custom grind a cam on a VVT core. There's no eagle carb intakes that I'm aware of, so you gotta buy a $1k intake and then make it fit. You can see this junkyard project is going sideways already.
I haven't done any postmortems on Apaches yet. The compatibility problems are the same as the eagle. I can not say whether or not the pistons, oiling, or valve train issues have been resolved.
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