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    hi, i'm buying a hurst competition plus shifter with mount plate for my 68 valiant. it's an early 64/5 setup so my question is will i have any issues using this in my 68 car? the car was auto and i've got the amd manual tunnel panel ready to fit. anything else?
    thanks, neil.
     
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    No, just use the 68 mounting plate and linkage.
     
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      The comp plus kit I ended up being sent had the straight linkage rods which would not fit the cross member on my duster. So ensure if you do get a kit, that it included the correct linkage. Or just get the shifter and mounting plate and reuse your linkage
       
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      Should be a direct bolt on. Those are really good shifters. The throws are a bit long, but that's how they're made. One of the best shifters Hurst ever made.
       
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      • mygasser

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        i'll be using the rods that came with the inland shifter i have and cutting them to suit. i've got a new bushing kit to tighten it all up so hopefully it'll go ok.
        cheers guys, neil.
         
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        Here is a pic of the 1969 Factory Hurst Shifter and Rods.
        The second picture is the aftermarket Hurst Competition Plus Shifter and rods on the same transmission.
        When you bought the aftermarket Hurst Comp Plus Shifter kit it, included the #2298 shifter mounting plate.
        The #2298 shifter plate is the same one that was used on the 1964-65 A-body 4 speeds.

        The 1968 and later factory installed Hurst Shifters used the #0090 mounting plate.

        If you look close at the two assembles. You will notice that the aftermarket Hurst Comp Plus Shifter sits more upright,
        but the the factory Hurst shifter is tilted forward.

        The last picture shows the two mounting plates sitting on top of each other to illustrate their differences.
        There are also differences in the shifter arms.
        The lesson is that you cannot interchange the rods between the two.
        I know, because I tried to do so and I ran into fitment problems.

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        that's good info, thanks. this is the shifter i've actually bought, it's used (of course) and from a guy on another forum here in the uk.
        neil.

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          What you have in your picture looks to be the 1964-65 A-Body factory Hurst shifter.
          Those A-Body shifters did not have the positive stop bolts.
          If it does, then its 1964-65 B-Body factory Hurst Shifter.
          Those shifters were different than the aftermarket Hurst Competition Plus shifter that is in my picture above.
           
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            I completed putting this group of 4 speed parts together for a '65 270 Dart .Early Hurst Comp. plus, 23/30 spline A833,small Bell /flywheel,10" clutch. The shifter and trans are smooth. Good luck with your project.

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            • mygasser

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              yes the guy said he thought it was a 'factory' A body shifter. i'll have a look when it arrives as to whether i can add adjustable stops, how hard can it be it's only metal? there's plenty of pics online for reference after all, plus i can probably borrow one with stops from a mate in the MMA here.
              neil.
               
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              There is no real need to add stops to your shifter. The only factory installed shifter that had them was the 64-65 B-Body Hurst Shifter. All of the other years and models did not have them. Aftermarket Hurst shifters had them as the assumption was that if you were upgrading from a factory shifter then you were probably be going to be "banging the gears".
               
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              ok, good to know. although i'm making no promises that i won't be as you say ''banging the gears'' lol.
              neil.
               
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                The 68 to 74 mounting plate is 6350, Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists, which positions the shifter the same as the later, 75 up?, 0090 mounting plate. The difference is the 6350 plate uses counter sunk mounting bolts as opposed to the standard bolts on the 0090 mounting plate.

                You can add the stop bolts by swapping the main case and main case spacer. The housings fit the same. I have done the swap on a 64-65 A Body shifter. You can bang the gears pretty hard without the stops. There is almost no difference between a MOPAR OEM shifter and an aftermarket Competition Plus shifter.

                In later years, some aftermarket Competition Plus shifters did not use the MOPAR reverse arm. There were more than a few installation kits with different rods and arms through the years.
                 
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                Here is another picture that I took back when I was finding out about the differences between the two shifters that came with the 69 Dart GTS.
                The picture shows the two shifters side by side. All three arms are a little different on the Hurst Competition Plus aftermarket shifter when compared to the factory Hurst shifter.
                Also note the blue arrow pointing to where the reverse arm on the factory shifter does not have an alignment hole drilled into it and where the aftermarket shifter does have one.

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                it's great knowing whatever issue i come up against there's always someone here that knows the solution, usually through their own experience. :thumbsup:
                neil.
                 
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                  Hi all I have a 1967 car with A833 and Hurst shift. Is that like the 68 and later A-body one? 23in/30out A833 transmission. If I were to go with a Comp plus would I use the 0090 plate? Do I buy the shifter and mounting plate separately of just ask for that in the "kit"?
                   
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                  Oops. Sorry I see above that the 6350 plate from Brewers is the one for me. Still have the question on what PN for the shifter itself (Competition plus)
                   
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                  Your 1967 did NOT originally have a Hurst shifter. It was an Inland when sold new. Chrysler went back to the Hurst goodies sometime during the 1968 model year.
                  What number is stamped on your reverse lever?
                   
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                    Let me take a look. It came with it when we got the car in 1992. It also had dealer installed AC so maybe they got the inland changed?
                     
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                    An original 1967, 273, a-833 would be 23 in and 26 out. An Inland shifter would have been original, so who knows what you have. Do you have a shifter now? Pictures? You have quite a few options with a 67 up A Body Hurst shifter.
                     
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                    The lower shifter looks like an old Hurst Super Shifter to me. They used a special shift box that required you to push down to get it into reverse. It also had straight, large diameter, direct acting shift rods that were much beefier than the factory Competition Plus shifters. The mounting plate was different because the straight rods of the Super Shifter necessitated putting the shift box at a different angle that the bent rods of the original. This also put the original shift handle at the wrong angle, so the Super Shifter included a short, straight handle. Made the shift throws shorter, but higher effort.

                    I bought a Super Shifter for my 65 Barracuda in 1973, right after I got back from Nam. Mom didn't like the short handle, nor did she like the push-down-for-reverse (she did sometimes drive my car). But it sure eliminated the missed shifts I often got with the worn-out junkyard Super Bee shifter I had been running ever since my original shift box crapped out on me.

                    Couple-three decades later, can't remember what happened to my Super Shifter box, but had to replace it. The original Super Shifter was no longer available, so I got a Street Super Shifter. The new Street Super Shifter just used a regular Competition Plus box, mounted at the Super Shifter angle. No longer have to push down to get it into reverse. It still had the short stick and straight shift rods, but the rods were a lot punier than those of the original Super Shifter, so I kept my old shift rods. Many years later, I saw a shift handle hanging on the wall of Barnett Automotive in Atlanta that looked like it would fit correctly, so I bought it. Have no idea what car it was supposed to be for. It's flat instead of round like my original shift handle (which I still have), and the original ball won't fit as the threads are different, but it sits exactly where it should. I got a black ball off ebay that is a little shinier than the original, but is very close. Looks OEM at a quick glance. Have been running it for many years now.

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                      It says REV.
                       
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                      It does have the Hurst shifter on it now. Don't know what model though. I am working on pics now but that has taken a back seat to not being able to shift into reverse after pulling the side cover. :(
                       
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                      If you loosen the side cover bolts, just a smidge, and tap the rear corner if the side cover up and re torque the bolts, you should be good. Is your shifter handle round or flat? REV on the reverse arm is the correct factory arm.
                       
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                      66fs I will try that. It has the flat Hurst shift lever that is bolted on from the side. Pics coming today.
                       
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