Correct 4-speed shifter in a 1969 Dart?

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  1. 4spd340Swinger

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    Question for the Guru's! 1st pic is the shifter in my Dart. The 2nd pic is a Dart being sold at Mecum Indy in July. Both cars are bench seats. What are your thoughts??? Thanks

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  2. silversedan

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    only see one picture
     
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    • 4spd340Swinger

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      2nd pic is under 1st large pic. I attached again.
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    • Joey4speed

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      2nd pic wont scroll up
       
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      It doesn't say HURST on the side. The one out of my car did. I have an F-body or handle that is blank like that one but it has 3 bends where as my other one has 2 like you picture.
       
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      I had a member inquire about A body shifters other box with the right levers. I have two shifters like above, both attached to a correct box neither say Hurst on the handle. Look at BrewersPerformance.com he shows all the different handles hat they came with. It is all confusing!!
       
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      The correct shifter I just finished rebuilding

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        I think the shifters with that extra bend was used latter in A's I think that is maybe a 68 or so. Did they use the Inland in an A body?? Just wondering?
         
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        That shifter handle I have pictured is out of a 69 same up to 73 that I have. The handle the PO pictured is out of a Aspen-Volare
         
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        • Joey4speed

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          Yes. It should say HURST, embossed vertcally. I believe
          the handle shape for the basic floor shifter is straighter, cause the floor hole is left of center a bit. It is different from the center console shifter handle which bends over to the middle, to fit through the center area. See pics: Screenshot_20200617-105701_Google.jpg Screenshot_20200617-105625_Google.jpg
           
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          Here is a picture showing the factory Hurst 1968 mid year to 1971, bayonet style handle
          next to the 1971 and later bolt in style handle.
          The #7036 is the original shifter handle from my 69 Dart GTS

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            I think yes F bodies and 72 up A bodies??
             
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            I always assumed the 3 bend handles were for bench cars.

            Inlands were used in up to 67 accept I thought there was a 1 year Hurst used in the early A bodies, possibly on the 273 4bbl cars.
             
          • Joey4speed

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            I can see that, makes sense.
            So there were 3 different possibilities for 69 Dart shifters?
            Bucket, Bench, Center Consloe?
             
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            69 darts had two shifters console and non console. The floor bracket kept the seat from coming to far forward and interfering with the shifter in 2nd or 4th on a bench car. 69 was the only year that I saw with the bent hurst for a console. Except for one 71. They may have had them in late 68?
             
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              So that answers the original Question from 4speed340Swinger.
               
            • Demonracer

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              The very first shifter pictured is for at least a 68-72 non console A body from Hurst, maybe a 67 A body. I had that same handle in at least 4 68-72 cars, some I changed out the Inland shifter to an aftermarket Hurst shifter because of the rubber bushings on the Inland where the handle mated to the shifter itself.
               
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              2nd picture is a O/D Hurst shifter around 75-76 and F bodies, the ball ends up in the same place. Inland was used for 66 and 67 A bodies, and again in later F Bodies, for 1 year I believe. There was a shorter, handle 68-69 non console bucket seat stick. 64 and 65 A bodies used Hurst bolt on stick that was different, including mounting plate and rods. Post #12 are the standard A body sticks. I can't see the first picture either.
               
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              Post #12 shows the difference between the OEM installed Hurst shifter handles & the aftermarket Hurst shifter bought by folks who didn't like the slop in the rubber bushings of the inland shifters.
               
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              The slop was not just in the bushings. The Inland shifters were not even close to a Hurst shifter. The aftermarket A body Hurst did not have a bolt on handle. It was welded to the shifter, except later Hurst offerings using a generic Hurst shifter. Post #12 shows the 68 to 71 bench seat bayonet handle and the 71 1/2 up 4 speed bolt in handle.

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            • Oldmanmopar

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              I have confused that shifter myself with the 69 and newer a-body handles. That first picture looks to be a Volare/Aspen overdrive
               
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                OK I HAVE A 69 A BODY BARRACUDA THAT HAD THE ORIGINAL BAYONET SHIFTER, I REMOVED IT WHEN I PUT IN A CONSOLE AND NEEDED TO HAVE THE CONSOLE SHIFTER (BENT SHIFTER)
                WHEN I BOUGHT THE SHIFTER FROM BREWERS ( WHO HAVE BEEN GREAT WITH ME AND MY NEEDS) I ENDED UP GETTING THE SHIFTER THAT HAS THE 2 SCREWS.
                OBLIVIOUS TO SCREW ON AND BAYONET SHIFTERS I JUST PLACED IT IN AND HAVE BEEN USING IT EVER SINCE ( 2 YRS NOW) NOT LONG AGO I REALIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS DIFFERENCE AND BOUGHT A PIECE THEY SELL THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO PUT THE SCREW ON SHIFTER USING THE BAYONET CORRECTOR.
                WHAT I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WAS HOW DID THE BENT SHIFTER WORK ( STILL DOES) AND NOT BEING A BAYONET STYLE SHIFTER ?

                THIS IS WHY I'M NOT TOO KEEN ON WHICH SHIFTER I USE ANY MORE, SO LONG AS IT WORKS.
                 
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                Pretty interesting. The bottom line is, as you said, so long as it works. I personally prefer the 64-65 Hurst A Body shifter. I use them in all my A bodies, Standard and O/D. The thing to know is what mounting plate to use, what linkage and what body. Not much difference between A Body Bayonet, 71 up bolt in, or even the 64-65 Hurst shifters.
                 
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