Correct Super Stock Seats?

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was watching those on ebay , price has gone up a bunch ---
I have 3 sets. I bought my last set about 6 weeks ago. They might have gone up! Everything seem to now days. I got them for like $320 for the pair, shipped free. Came from some 4 x 4 Jeep type site. I would contact SmittyBilt direct also.
 

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I have one out of my 68 Hemi Dart I kept when I converted it to
a Pro Stock car = I do not think it folded. I will check this week.
 

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I think many other guys, like myself, expect what is said in a forum like this, is correct...
Take the front seats for example. They are often refered to as A100 Van seats, and sometimes even beeing a seat with a fixed back rest.
Lets clear this out once and for all. Back rest were foldable, and most likley from the A100 Truck Line.
Like with so many other parts that Chrysler used on these cars, they looked around to see what was available.
To make something new, would take time and cost money and in this case, why would they?
The Pick-Up has a compartment behind the seats, that is why seats were foldable. It make sense to have the seat foldable in a two door car... right... and besides it was said to weight slightley less than the Van seat.
I have many pictures to back up what I claim, here are a couple...
Sooo, please don´t just claim thing... back it up with original pictures and good inf... or this forum is just as useful to us whom trying to keep the history of these cars as close to the truth and reality as possible, as any forum and info you can find on the net...

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I do know the seats in A100 were made by Bostrum, and they are still in business.
Gary Ball, In. is into SS early B car and does a lot interior for real cars and tributes of such. He says he makes his own seat frame and thus seats, and as he says darn hard to find original A100 seat frames. His seats fold.
I have had peeps tell me they have seen A100 seats that some are fixed. I have NO idea.
I used those SmittyBilt early CJ 5 seats because they work for me and a lot of other guys use them.
I have NO hound in the race.
 

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I think many other guys, like myself, expect what is said in a forum like this, is correct...
Take the front seats for example. They are often refered to as A100 Van seats, and sometimes even beeing a seat with a fixed back rest.
Lets clear this out once and for all. Back rest were foldable, and most likley from the A100 Truck Line.
Like with so many other parts that Chrysler used on these cars, they looked around to see what was available.
To make something new, would take time and cost money and in this case, why would they?
The Pick-Up has a compartment behind the seats, that is why seats were foldable. It make sense to have the seat foldable in a two door car... right... and besides it was said to weight slightley less than the Van seat.
I have many pictures to back up what I claim, here are a couple...
Sooo, please don´t just claim thing... back it up with original pictures and good inf... or this forum is just as useful to us whom trying to keep the history of these cars as close to the truth and reality as possible, as any forum and info you can find on the net...

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Can you show us Original pictures of BO and LO cars with folding seats?? I would love to see them.
Do 1965 A990 seats fold?? I’m not sure…
 

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Can you show us Original pictures of BO and LO cars with folding seats?? I would love to see them.
Do 1965 A990 seats fold?? I’m not sure…

No, I have not any picture of a car in primer, I suppose this is what you mean, since there was always a possibility new owner swapped original seats, for a set on A100 Van seats with fixed back rest, as soon as he got the car.
I simply draw my conclusion, from what i see.
 

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Ok, do you have any older pictures of race cars with folding seats in them?? I see the one picture above but I don’t know what year or car it is.
 

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When I get back from World finals i will dig out the seat.
I still do not remember it folding.
I owned two of the Darts back then (One Brand New)
 

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On the 3 pictures SSing just posted: the middle picture look like it could be a scan of a photograph.

The 1st and 3rd look like modern digital pics. Can you confirm when those were taken?
 

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Ok, do you have any older pictures of race cars with folding seats in them?? I see the one picture above but I don’t know what year or car it is.

No, none of the pictures would hold up in court, so to speak, but I have so much info about this seat, that I am fully convinced.
Saying this, of cause you must add, there may have been some differences. And in this case it wouldn´t surprise me, if one or two of these cars, had a fixed back...
 

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Here is another pic I found long time ago on the net.
It is said to be Sox & Martin parts found in a storage.
Mayby not worth anything really, but still... it is what it is. A seat what appears to be a ´68 SS Hemi car A100 seat, having the back rest folded.
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Here is another pic I found long time ago on the net.
It is said to be Sox & Martin parts found in a storage.
Mayby not worth anything really, but still... it is what it is. A seat what appears to be a ´68 SS Hemi car A100 seat, having the back rest folded.
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Cool picture but definitely a modern picture….a picture that was taken in the last 10 years is what I would say.
 

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SSings post #30 He says,

“Let’s clear this out once and for all. Back rest were foldable, and most likely from the A100 Truck like……..


“I have many pictures to back up what I claim, here are a couple… Sooo, please don’t just claim things….back it up with original pictures and good inf…or this form is just as useful to us whom trying to keep this history of these cars as close to the truth and reality as possible, as any forum and info you can find on the net.”


In post #33 He says..

“ I simply draw my conclusion, from what I see.”



I personally believe that these cars we’re intended to have “fixed back seats”….a seat that does not fold. These seats were sometimes referred to as A100 seats. Some of the A100 seats folded and some does not. I’m not an expert on the A100s so I can’t say what year or models has this option. In all the literature in the past states that the BOs and the LOs had a “fixed back seat” The correct term for the seat that goes into the LOs and the BOs were A990 seat.


I do not have all the answers but I am pretty good at what I do. I’m willing to listen to anybody (including you SSing) when it comes to talking about these cars…I love these cars to the point we’re I invested a lot of time and money into preserving the history and building these cars. I try to back up all my knowledge with facts but sometimes the facts don’t exist. Did they cut the Barracuda wheel opening?? I say “there is no proof they did” and you say “look at this picture!, they had to!” with no facts to support your claim. If you want to believe the seats folds, that is ok but you better have the proof or, in you words “please don’t just claim things….back it up with original pictures and good inf…”


Here is the info I have from Bob Tarozzi

The first photo is when they were (on paper) putting the parts together to see if was feasible to do so. Note the date, Nov 20 1967. Look at the wording used “Dodge truck seat A100 should be supplied in the colors required, Bostrom, Thin Line bucket P/N29934 w/ vinyl 0441VT6”

Upper corner P/N 2416908 A990. (A990 seats are a fixed back seat)


Second photo, dated 2-13-68 Procurement Responsibility

This is a list of all the parts and assemblies that were used in these cars. The name in the column is the guy responsible to make sure those parts are available for that project. If there is a problem with these parts then you get a hold of him.

“Bucket Seat, Bostrom (29934) same part number as above.


Third photo dated 2-15-68

This is basically the instruction sheet or road map to assemble these cars. All Chrysler production car and truck have a sheet like this to tell people how to assemble and what parts go with that car.


Now, did racers put a folding seats in there cars after they were built?Maybe……

Would it be nice to have a folding seat?

I would like then in both my cars….. it would be easier, that’s for sure.

Is it possible that they ran out of “fixed back seats” and put folding seats in there place?

Very possible……..

We’re these cars designed to have a “fixed back seat”?

I believe so and my paperwork is supporting that thesis……..







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I missed the OP opening statement that we are talking of 68 SS darts, cudas. I have an acquaintance that has a surviving 64 Belvedere Hemi car. I guess it is called a super stock? Never tubbed, never raced. I have not seen it in a few months and the interior was not in. Bench or ? I don't know.
Those early B bodies with just the front A100 bucket an no back seat I thought came that way from the factory and were called super stock? And how many "homebuilt" versios of the early B SS were made with whatever? Maybe the B and A cars and homebuilt versions is where the seat thing can get confusing. Anyway interesting info from everyone.
I know Mosher in a Ca. did a lot of restos and builds of early B SS stuff. Not sure if he is even still alive?
 

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SSings post #30 He says,

“Let’s clear this out once and for all. Back rest were foldable, and most likely from the A100 Truck like……..


“I have many pictures to back up what I claim, here are a couple… Sooo, please don’t just claim things….back it up with original pictures and good inf…or this form is just as useful to us whom trying to keep this history of these cars as close to the truth and reality as possible, as any forum and info you can find on the net.”


In post #33 He says..

“ I simply draw my conclusion, from what I see.”



I personally believe that these cars we’re intended to have “fixed back seats”….a seat that does not fold. These seats were sometimes referred to as A100 seats. Some of the A100 seats folded and some does not. I’m not an expert on the A100s so I can’t say what year or models has this option. In all the literature in the past states that the BOs and the LOs had a “fixed back seat” The correct term for the seat that goes into the LOs and the BOs were A990 seat.


I do not have all the answers but I am pretty good at what I do. I’m willing to listen to anybody (including you SSing) when it comes to talking about these cars…I love these cars to the point we’re I invested a lot of time and money into preserving the history and building these cars. I try to back up all my knowledge with facts but sometimes the facts don’t exist. Did they cut the Barracuda wheel opening?? I say “there is no proof they did” and you say “look at this picture!, they had to!” with no facts to support your claim. If you want to believe the seats folds, that is ok but you better have the proof or, in you words “please don’t just claim things….back it up with original pictures and good inf…”


Here is the info I have from Bob Tarozzi

The first photo is when they were (on paper) putting the parts together to see if was feasible to do so. Note the date, Nov 20 1967. Look at the wording used “Dodge truck seat A100 should be supplied in the colors required, Bostrom, Thin Line bucket P/N29934 w/ vinyl 0441VT6”

Upper corner P/N 2416908 A990. (A990 seats are a fixed back seat)


Second photo, dated 2-13-68 Procurement Responsibility

This is a list of all the parts and assemblies that were used in these cars. The name in the column is the guy responsible to make sure those parts are available for that project. If there is a problem with these parts then you get a hold of him.

“Bucket Seat, Bostrom (29934) same part number as above.


Third photo dated 2-15-68

This is basically the instruction sheet or road map to assemble these cars. All Chrysler production car and truck have a sheet like this to tell people how to assemble and what parts go with that car.


Now, did racers put a folding seats in there cars after they were built?Maybe……

Would it be nice to have a folding seat?

I would like then in both my cars….. it would be easier, that’s for sure.

Is it possible that they ran out of “fixed back seats” and put folding seats in there place?

Very possible……..

We’re these cars designed to have a “fixed back seat”?

I believe so and my paperwork is supporting that thesis……..







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Thank you for sharing and taking the time.
Did not know you had this info to back up what you claimed, so a good thing I called you out...
I´d go with the first photo that says Dodge Truck seat. To my understanding thoes fold.
The A990 seat to my knowledge has different type of seat cover with a feather, I call it. The ´68 seat non welting.
Maybe the"phrase" A990 was used to describe the type of seat used.
Also the paper work did not alway match what really happend. I come to think of the K-frame that is pictured in the ´68 SS Guide. The intension was to ues an A-body BB K-frame core and build the A-body Hemi K-frame with B-Body K-frame brackets. But several cars have what seem to be a complete A-body BB K-frame that had the BB brackets cut of and than Hemi bracket welded on.
Or maybe like you say, they run out of A990 seats... could be... maybe from the very first Dart in the first run in February...
 

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As we talk of the '68 Hemi A body, they were built from parts supplied to them by Mother Mopar and I bet they could have been sent A100 sets that fold and some that did not IF both these type of Bostrum seats were being used back at the factory!!
I bet maybe Gary Ball has the answer among other peeps??
 

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Just an observation...
In the SS Hemi Guide (Jim Schild) it says, Seat Assy, Bostrom Black Vinyl (2). PN is 2836902
I don´t know if Assy referes to two Seats, and was Chryslers own, so to speak, numbers that was used for these cars, if so maybe that explains a different PN from what is in the Papers in post above.

But, I think "truck" is the key word here. I have seen it in several real early Car Magazine Articles, including the very first article about these SS Cars, in Super Stock & Drag Illustrated, where we get to follow how the Sox and Martin Team prepere their Cuda, in spring of 1968. Seat is described as "pirated from a Dodge A-100 Truck"
In another article, seat is refered to as coming from "the Dodge truck-line"
Now if I had the possibility to check with old A-100 truck owners, I would do so, to see if truck had a seat that could fold, because of the compartment behind the seats.
Unless of cause I got to meet the guy who got that one A-100 Truck, that had fixed seats instaled...
 

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A few things I can shed some light on. I worked for Chrysler and GM in parts for over 20 years and on many levels they would use different part number for the same item. For an example that I’m sure you have seen is a casting number on a part verse the part number in a book….two different numbers for the same part. There was many reasons for this but I can tell you first hand it will confuse the day light out of you. In all the paper work I have for these cars ( from Sept 1 1967 to May 1968 ) there are many inconsistencies when it comes to part numbers so I have found in the early days of these notes that the description trumps the number and if the number is correct then it’s an added bonus.
I know there were two seats. A fixed back seat and a folding seat. I BELIEVE the Van A100 had a fixed back and the pick up style A100 had a folding. I BELIEVE we’re Bob wrote “A990” above the part number is the seat that he wanted to use and that was a fixed back seat. Did a some cars come with folding seats?…maybe. To me it’s not necessary what the car came with, it is what the car should have, UNLESS you have overwhelming proof of something different.
 

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A few things I can shed some light on. I worked for Chrysler and GM in parts for over 20 years and on many levels they would use different part number for the same item. For an example that I’m sure you have seen is a casting number on a part verse the part number in a book….two different numbers for the same part. There was many reasons for this but I can tell you first hand it will confuse the day light out of you. In all the paper work I have for these cars ( from Sept 1 1967 to May 1968 ) there are many inconsistencies when it comes to part numbers so I have found in the early days of these notes that the description trumps the number and if the number is correct then it’s an added bonus.
I know there were two seats. A fixed back seat and a folding seat. I BELIEVE the Van A100 had a fixed back and the pick up style A100 had a folding. I BELIEVE we’re Bob wrote “A990” above the part number is the seat that he wanted to use and that was a fixed back seat. Did a some cars come with folding seats?…maybe. To me it’s not necessary what the car came with, it is what the car should have, UNLESS you have overwhelming proof of something different.
No intention of jumping into the seat discussion but I can tell you why you see one part number on a casting, and a different part number for that part in a part / assembly book. It is because the part number cast into the part is the part number for that casting without any machining done to it. That is the foundry part number. After the part is machined a different part number is assigned to it. That is how manufacturers keep track of rough castings and machined castings. In the case of a subassembly, the part number will change again after something is assembled to it.
 

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The super stock seat looks like a100 van seats but is not the same. The super stock seat is lighter and smaller. My friend has a BO29 car. His car only had the original driver seat. So he found a A100 seat that looked the same. When he measured them and took them apart all different. The seat foam on the SS cars are stamped 999 special order. The frames are also a lot lighter. Yes they fold. But I did find that later ones did not fold. You have to tell Legendary if your seats are original or A100 so the cam make the covers correct.
 
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Barracuda picture at Hurst
Wheel well does not look to be cut

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Dart a Hurst
Look at the 8 3/4 rear with the 10 x 1 3/4 inch large bolt drums
These pictures are from a worker at Hurst He said no one has ever seen these pictures.

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