1. davescuda

    davescuda FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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    The maroon car is mine and I have 29 inch tall tires and I open the front of the wheel wells. I went from the top arrow all the way down. Pie cut, from top nothing to the bottom one inch wide removed. Push the lip forward and welded the lip back in. Had reformed (hammer and dollied) the outer body line around the wheel well so would notice the modification. If you do not go all the up to the top arrow. The wheel well will look funny. That is also factory wheel well trim on my car. So when you look at my front line of the wheel well you can see it goes forward. The BO cars do not

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      ns1rm21 Well-Known Member

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      Wow, very nice and very clean, good job!
       
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      Well, I was hoping you would comment on the fact the Mule did have wheel wells modified.
      What you mention is irrelevant.
      Car was taken to Irwindale to test handling and to be able to do so, car was techanically in top condition.
      Engine, trans, rear end including suspention witch very much inluds the tires.
      Chrysler would of cause not take the risk of delivering a potentioal deathtrap by delivering a car that could not run proper slicks, same as the Darts i.e.
      And NHRA? Would they after inspecting the Cuda coming from Hurst, allow modifications next time at tech control at the first event? Note per NHRA Rule Book, "may use any rear wheel/tire combination that will fit into the original wheel wells".
      And would Ford and GM guys tolarate that?
      I have hundreds of pictures of early SS/B Barracudas, that very obviously have the WW modified.
      And don´t say guys made all kinds of mods to their cars. Thats an insult to NHRA. In the sixties Stock and Super Stock racing was serious business because of the competition between the Big Three Manufacturs. Modified Classes and of cause in 1970 with Pro Stock was something else...
      Not every single BO29 car went on to be a competitive race car. There must be one with WWs still untouched?
      And what was the purpose of letting Dodge have an advantage of running bigger tires?
      Sorry, to many questionmarks in my book...
       
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      "What I said was irrelevant"??
      You can believe what you want.....you can say what you want but facts are facts. I'm posting paperwork that proves Chryslers or Hurst intent was not to modify the wheel opening on the Barracuda's. You keep posting miscellaneous pictures of old race cars with non stock tires and rims that HAVE been modified sometime in there life. Pictures are posted form THE HURST ASSEMBLY PLANT that gives no indication the wheel opening was modified. You still post on PROOF that HURST modified the Barracuda wheel opening.
      Stop trying to push your agenda on to all of us.
       
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      Yes, like I said, I was hoping you would comment on the fact that the Mule had WW modified.
      Just because what you say is not irrelevant... but you walked around it...
       
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      And yes, paperworks is an important part of the history, but as we know, not every thing turned out accordningly.
      I´m thinking of the seat brackets and the K-member. What happened there?
      Can you find anything in your papers, explaning why Hurst didn´t follow the paperworks?
       
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      The mule car was a test bed…nothing more, nothing less. The seats, the interior trim and countless other items were on that car that never made it to production. Do you honestly think that the mule car was just like the the cars that rolled out of Hurst. If so you are wrong.

      As for the seat brackets, I remember you talking about them but I never saw a big deal with them other than the seat holes were drill in the wrong location. I do have a copy of some paper work saying there is an amendment to the original drawings. That paperwork did not make it into the authenticity guide.
       
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      davescuda FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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      The original owner of Tony’s car Has all the original paper work and pictures of the car when he pick it up at Hurst. Also has the letter from Chrysler telling the owners the agenda what Chrysler wanted them to do with the car. But for some reason the owner is holding onto this stuff likes its personal info and does not want to share with everyone. We are thinking when the car is finish, he will be with the car at shows sitting at his table. That’s when he will show that stuff off.
       
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        ??? wft´s matter with you man??… For the third time in a row, you bsing me about I can believe what I want, instead of giving us your opinion on the fact I describe…
        I was asking you three times, about the fact the Mule had the wheel wells modified, and you ducked three times…

        For you other guys who read this post, I show you a photo which is one in a series of photos, taken first week in Januari 1968, when the Mule was testing at Irwindale Raceway.
        These photos are out on the net for everyone to see.
        First pic clearly shows the Mule had the wheel wells modified.
        Note under whole in subframe. This part is missing, it is the front lower lip of wheel well and lower lip of inner tube.
        Second pic is same section unmodified, taken from the same angle. Note whole in sub frame and compare offset front leaf springer hanger to the left. And note “material” under whole in subframe still intact.
        I find this observation very interesting...
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        Your “facts” are not facts.

        They are pictures you said you found in the internet, then you’ve made personal opinions of them.

        That’s a prototype car. It’s a test bed. It does not dictate what was done to the small production run.

        A picture of a prototype cannot be said to be a “fact” on the production run.

        The first picture below doesn't have any connection to restoring the production car in the second picture.

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        I’m not ducking anything, I’m an open book. I have no paper work telling me they modified the wheel wells on the mule car. I don’t care if they modified the wheel wells on the mule car, ITS A MULE CAR!! All I care about was what was done on the production cars. I believe over time all Barracudas race cars got there wheel wells modified to fit bigger tires but I BELIEVE that Hurst did not do it, the racers did.

        Want to know something Mr. SSing, I wanted you to see those wonderful photos that Davescuda posted so you had another photo to add to your collection and maybe, just maybe you would open your eyes to reality on this subject. But the truth is your the reason why people people stay off of here and don’t share their info. You think that if you don’t believe it, it never happened. That is not how this works.
         
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        You are exposing your lack of insight in this matter, by comparing those cars, to the fact Chrysler wanted to test a car they knew would worked. And not deliver a deathtrap...
        Infact, under the shell of those cars you are showing, they might be exactly the same...

        Here is the picture "I said I found on the internet" and it´s showing the fact I´m referring to.

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        At least you recognize there were mods to the WW on the Mule, but nothing about it in your papers, good.
        Ok, but you don´t see a connection, between what Chrysler wanted to test, that worked and what they wanted to deliver. Good. I finaly got your oppinion.

        And, yes I will comment on those pics, when I get the time to.

        But was is this all about? Me being the reason people staying off this Forum and not sharing their info?
        If you have anything concrete, please let me know.
        Or maybe you mean that "don´t just claim things" thing?
        I think thats reaosonable to ask. To back up what you say. I try to do so, by showing old picture.
        And it made you show paper work about the seats.
        If you think this Forum was started for people to just think out loud, not backing it up with a source, I think you are wrong.
        But I think I stick to my thread from now on anyway...
         
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