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    I have a 67 Barracuda with a set of direct drilled Crager S/S wheels 5 on 4 mopar bolt pattern 7/16 -20 lug thread.
    My issue is when I torque the lugs to the specified 75 ft/lbs it bends the lug washer bad, even brand new Crager lug sets that I that just put on. It is like the washers a to soft. Is this normal/safe?
    Thanks in advance for your reply
    PS My old lugs/washers were bent just as bad I doubt they ever held torque.
     
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    aren't the seats conical on the direct drill? If so you wouldn't need the washers
     
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      early aftermarket rims crager american us indy all used shank type lug nuts with thin flatwashers . the washers are so the rims didn't get scared n chewed up for the lugnuts. yes the washer get bent by the lug hex . some have a deeper spot face for the washers to sit in , i've found that washer have two different od's 1 1/8 and 1 1/4 . the 1 1/8 bends up more then the larger ones . but an abody 4'' pattern is very tight on the center cone . could be part of the reason . putting some early vintage americans t70's14x6 3/4 , built special for the 4'' bc . lets see how it goes . just doing the noise like the 43ir its a 64 barracuda 15x8's steelies on the rear i built .
       
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      • 512Stroker

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        The new ones are conical the old S/S are shank type with a washer.
         
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        I know 75ftlbs doesn't sound like much nowadays, but oem was 55. Have you checked with Cragar?
         
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          According to the Crager website the torque spec for 7/16 - 20 lug is 70 - 80 ft/lbs.
           
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            but is that for the shank washer type lugs as well . new stuff is different as you can read .
             
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              Good question the website does not say any type. I will ask Crager and get back to ya.
               
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              it wouldn't hurt to send then some pics of the wheel stud holes, lug nuts and distorted washers. Maybe they have not had any feedback and are unaware of a problem.
              So you mentioned the studs are 7/16" NF, but have you actually measured the drilled stud holes? How much bigger than the nut shanks are the stud holes in the wheels?
               
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              i run shank type with my americans , i never berry the lugs , armstrong tight . they should not come loose unless the lug holes are nice , slotted holes have an issue . the only issue shank type had was to long of a shank , would come to the part of the stud that flares out and flare itself would drag on the inside of the rim holes , shorting and counterslink the shanks threaded ends was the fit . and for to long of studs , top the tops off , but that more work that fixing the studs .
               
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              I have shank style on my 67 with SS. I broke the damned nit "guessing" the torque.
              I went with factory spec and no issues. Obviously retorque after a short drive
               
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                Can I assume you mean 55 ft/lb's as the factory spec? Or something else?
                 
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                Yep, even my 69 fsm says 55. I think I torqued to 70 amd split the lug.
                Do so at your own risk tho. Lol I did and still here.
                 
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                Crager's customer service guy in CA recommended 65ft/lb's for all Crager 7/16 lugs.
                 
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