Cylinder head valve job

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    Anyone know someone who rebuilds cylinder heads from their garage or something? Need a valve job on a set of 452 bb heads and don't need to break the bank, I would also like to see the process if I could because i like to learn. My 76 ramcharger is on hold til i can get this rectified. Thanks Erik
     
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    So, you want somebody to do it on the cheap AND let you watch. Good luck with that.
     
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      I figure a shop wont let me watch, so why not pay someone the roughly 250 bucks it takes to do the job and i get to learn something. I don't see anything wrong with that.
       
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      There's not anything wrong with it. I just said good luck. Not a lot of people like that kinda stuff......I wish you were local to me, because I do cylinder head work and I would show you how to do it yourself.
       
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        Have a friend that took the cylinder head class at the local college over and over agin so he could rebuilt bunches of heads.
         
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          That would be awesome but your right, i doubt I'll get to see how to do it but it doesn't hurt to ask maybe something will shake out local to me. Who knows...
           
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            what do you consider a valve job? Those come in many levels, from $ knurling guides and grinding valves to $$$ drilling out and replacing bronze guides, with new stainless valves and 3 angle valve job with pocket port. None of that stuff is necessary if your guides spec and your putting in new valves. Maybe just a light seat grind to clean them up and a hand lap of the new valves. Best part about a valve job is getting clean heads back with a skim cut.
             
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              Actually that's what I do. I help people work on their cars for a living. Enthusiast like yourself looking to get a little deeper into the car but not exactly sure how to go about. Like the pishta was saying if you just need a little valve lap and some new seals and maybe if you want a little extra fun on the cheap tossing in a cam while you're in there and some Springs while you have them apart? And again like the pishta was saying drop them off at a machine shop and let mill .050 off. For a very inexpensive rate I help people and guide them through the process. Here's a picture of a customer 68 El Camino that we hopped up the motor a little bit as the non knowing crowd likes to call it LOL cleaned up the engine bay. Of course not before completely restoring all the front end components. Safety First! IMG_20181007_184619.jpg
               
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                Thought chebys were supose to have black engine bays.
                Looks clean j par.
                 
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                  Unfortunately I don't pick out the colors for my customers they do that. But then again I don't know how many Mopars came in metallic gold engine bays either?
                   
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                  I saw a picture of a gold metallic engine bay a long time ago. I think it was in a 65 cuda or 67 dart. It looked super and it had a sb with tunnel ram.
                   
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                    Ok so how far are you from j par.
                     
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                      Unfortunately my drive time expense would kill em.
                       
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                      Correct or not if I had a Chevy Ford or anything other brand of classic the engine bay would be the same color as the car I guess mopar has just branded that in my brain I love a colored bay surrounding my engine.
                       
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                        Yeah, that's a 3 hour drive both ways from me. Would be cool, though. I was hoping there was someone local to me less than an hour away.
                         
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                        Based on my troubleshooting of the problem. I think I would just need to have the seats cleaned up, valves cleaned up and lapped, probably new seals I would assume. I'll lay out what I'm dealing with to give everyone an idea.

                        Got a 76 ramcharger with a 440, vehicle was running rich when I got. Owner didn't know much history. I cleaned up lots of wiring, brake job, and other parts for reliability. Valve covers had a small leak upon purchase. Replaced valve gaskets and leak pursued. Some previous owner installed exhaust manifold gaskets with heat shield. Determined heat shield was keeping valve covers from seating all the way, causing the leak. Removed exhaust manifolds and valve covers again. Cleaned valve cover surface on head, some gasket material fell down below the rockers. removed rocker assembly to get to debris. Re-installed everything and upon startup passenger side, sounds like it has an exhaust leak. Removed exhaust manifold again and redo sealing with a non-heat shield gasket. Exhaust leak sounds still there upon startup again. Rotate engine by hand, checking rocker movement and pushrods to see if hydraulic lifter dropped on a lobe, looks good. Removed intake manifold for visual inspection of lifters and cam, looks good. Remove rocker assembly and cylinder head. Lots of carbon buildup in intake manifold from rich running, so I'm beginning to think there's excess carbon on a valve causing a problem. Installed spark plugs and put cylinder head upside, poured water into each chamber to see if water will leak from intake or exhaust side. One of the intake valves leaked water passed it to the intake manifold opening. So that is the assumption that I'm making in need a valve job. I don't know if other work will be needed upon disassembly but that's where it is at the moment.
                         
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                        Take a vocational course at a local Tech School, learn to do it yourself
                         
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                        Watch a video on YouTube and learn to do it yourself....
                         
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                        you can pull the shafts and eyeball what valves are sunk, but that assumes the seats are not sunk either. Good find on the valve. Sometimes intakes get coked and they dont close properly. Seafoam would have probably cleaned that. Exhaust valves get burned and sometimes gouge at the rim in extreme cases. With the heads off, start pulling valves and checking. Not difficult with some direction or at least some advice. I made a seat "scraper" with an old valve and a carbide cutting tool tip, I tack welded it in a cut slot at 45 degrees and could use it to cut or at least scratch the valve seat clean using a drill. very slight chatter DSC00013.JPG DSC00019.JPG DSC00021.JPG DSC00024.JPG DSC00025.JPG


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                          I do have a drawn-out listed things that I would like to do as I checked through this stuff but I thought it easier to fall out YouTube it in my voice command LOL. My question is how did you attach that picture or pictures to this post? For some reason your picture didn't pop up in my phone maybe I'll turn it off and try going this up again? But if I could pinpoint it.
                           
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                          To the original poster and your first question all of us do! LOL
                           
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                          I was messing with the pics, try again. They are just uploaded attachments.
                           
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                            Bam! They work.
                            you said you were messing with them sorry Jack the thread ask another question I'll p. M..
                             
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                            Think about it.
                            All equipment furnished. Instructor to teach you and keep an eye on you. Get your heads done an drop the class if you don't have time to finish the class.
                             
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                              I had a guy from Marysville do my small block heads a few years ago. He used to sell heads on eBay under the name Nyd4Speed. He works part time at a parts shop and assembles at home. Will try and find his card in the drawer at home. I bought heads from him on eBay and then we swapped and I brought in cores for him to use. Very reasonable guy to deal with.