dannydart360
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Hi, bought a CC499 Champion Cooling Systems radiator for my 74 360 Dart Sport and looking for a fan shroud that would fit.
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Fan shroud for Champion Cooling Systems radiator
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well, it has provisions for mounting a shroud. so, measure the spacing and see if you can match it up to a stock shroud and maybe you'll get lucky?
otherwise you'll be building your own. there are kits out there that can give you a head start.
otherwise you'll be building your own. there are kits out there that can give you a head start.
Id be interested to know if your factory shroud fits. Im in the same boat right now. Need s new radiator but want one that fits correctly and will use my shroud. Called Champion. The guy there told me the holes are designed to fit some stupid custom electric fan he sells. I asked why they didnt engineer the damn thing to use the fsctory shroud and got told,"they used too many different shrouds that we couldnt be bothered making one that fits some people's cars correctly" so instead they made one that doesnt fit anyone's shroud.
This is the apathy people in aftermarket parts we have to deal with these days. It seems everyrhing you buy has to be messed with or modified to make it work. God forbid people just care about what the produce,do their homework and make something correct....what would be the fun in that though,right? Lol
This is the apathy people in aftermarket parts we have to deal with these days. It seems everyrhing you buy has to be messed with or modified to make it work. God forbid people just care about what the produce,do their homework and make something correct....what would be the fun in that though,right? Lol
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dannydart360
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Remember there is Champion and Champion Cooling Systems which i have.
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I recently bought a radiator directly from them.
Dropped a b-body radiator in my a-body.
Nutserts in the radiator didn't line up with the electric fans I was using, so drilled some holes and put new nutserts in, done.
Do you not own a drill?
I was unaware there are two different companies.
This is the one I was speaking about. Are these the radiators you are discussing?
Aluminum Radiators and Shrouds for Classic Cars and Hot Rods Aluminum Radiators and Shrouds for Classic Cars and Hot Rods
Of course. I havent bought a radiator yet,but have been reading many posts where people complain their shroud wont fit. Obviously I would assume its not as simple and just drilling holes and using the factory shroud or people wouldnt be posting photos of their custom fiberglass shroud or this custom aluminum one,right? If they could use the factory original why go to the bother of fabricating one? Do you have a champion radiator and got the factory shroud to work by just drilling holes to mount it? If so how do you like it so far?
I didnt know the B Body radiator would fit! Cool.
No. I have a Champion radiator that my factory shroud bolted right to. It's in a Ford truck, but that's kinda irrelevant. The point is, it's not something that'd be hard to figure out. I mean, you're complaining about the price of US Radiator and then complain about how cheap radiators may not accept a factory shroud as a direct bolt on. If you choose something that's a bargain price, it's a bargain for a reason. That's usually because a little modification and or fab work needs to be done. This is hot rodding. It's not plug and play and never has been. Unless you pay for it. To further answer your question, I like the radiator a lot. It does a good job. The shroud bolted right on.
Glad it worked out for your Ford. I see your truck has factory air too! What is considered "cheap" is subjective. I dont think $300 bucks for a aluminum radiator thats probably made in china is "cheap",it wasnt that long ago you could recore your radiator reasonably. My point is that regardless there isnt a reason for so many aftermarket products not to fit or function correctly. It just comes down to someone caring about the details.
Like the A body fuel senders that dont read correctly.
A friend bought a repro Pontiac emblem from classic industries for his 77 Trans am..paid a lot for it too. The thing wasnt the correct dimesnions and was much smaller than the original and left a large empty area in the factory indentation in the nose. He ended up sending it back and buying an NOS one on ebay and it fit perfectly in the recess. Classic says its an exact reproduction and its not even the same size. Why?
Others here complained that its common for the $700 "OER" radiators to have tank leaks a year later. $700 isnt "cheap".
How is this "Hot Rodding"? hot rodding is the practice of deliberately modifying a car to increase its speed/performance. Not everybody is doing that. Lots of people are purists restoring their cars to factory condition,others are just trying to keep them mostly stock and drive them and enjoy them. my car falls into that category. Its fine that you're cool with apathetic or indifferent attention to fitment in the products today,but it seems that so many repro parts,like fenders,emblems,etc dont fit correctly,bolts don't line up,and there's always mods that must be made. Ive bought wheel cylinders before that were machined incorrectly and wouldnt mount up. New masters that were defective and had the threads machined wrong. Had to drop what I was doing use another car and take them back. Sorry for complaining,but there was a time when people cared about the products they produced and sold and customers wouldnt tolerate something important like a fuel sender that reads empty when they still have half a tank left.
It just seems that people are more tolerant of indifferent workmanship these days and it encourages shoddy/lazy engineering.
Anyway,sorry for complaining,but it ain't just me,ive read many other posts here.
And yeah,its not a big deal if it's just a matter of drilling a couple holes and then it will bolt right up. I assumed that it must not be as simple as that since many other people here had started threads about getting a fan shroud to work on a modern radiator.
Thats why im asking questions before I make a decision. Glad to know your champion worked out. Guess ill give it s try and hope fot the best.
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How long ago was that, exactly? I had a factory 2 row recored with a 4 row core back in about 1995. Cost me over 400. No, hot rodding is making things work. I see you're bent on plug and play for next to nothing. My vehicles run great. Good luck with it.
The last radiator I had recored was admittedly a while ago. I had a 1960 Galaxie radiator recored back around 2008 at a local shop I used for years. It cost me about $285. Was a 3 row. They did a great job. He retired shortly after. All my other cars radiators have held up. I change the coolant regularly.
If you think $400 plus tax is next to nothing you should tell that to all the people griping about gas being $6 a gallon. You likely also dont live in Southern California where the cost of living is sky high. Not all of us are in the entertainment industry and have Jay Leno money.
Wish I did though. Jay's got an amazing collection and I love his show.
Youre also ignoring my point and attempting to justify shoddy products. Do you think its unreasonable that someone buying a fuel sender should expect it to fit and function correctly? Do you think its reasonable that they should have to spend $90 on a meter match to make their gauge read correctly? I dont. Price is irrelevant. Parts should fit and function correctly for their intended purpose. It would not have cost any more money to engineer the part to work correctly in the first place. Dana67Dart and others discussed it,and I believe even contacted the makers about it. They didnt pay attention to details like the linear and non linear potentiometer.
People spending money buying reproduction parts to restore a car expect,and rightfully so,them to fit and function correctly and in the case of cosmetic items like the Pontiac emblem I mentioned earlier,LOOK and fit correctly. Good luck macgyvering an incorrect emblem to look correctly.
Im not cheap,Ive spent a lot on NOS out of production items for other cars I own because I knew the parts were factory original and would look and fit correctly. Like 60 DeSoto taillight lenses,But when it comes to aftermarket products like these radiators I dont expect them to look exactly like factory ones,but at least fit correctly. Thats why Im asking questions here. So I can pick the best option of what's currently available to keep the car going while I send the origonal radiator to be recored. The shop said it might take a month to get it back because he has a backlog of work and I drive this car daily.
And not to be contentious,but the definition of "Hot Rodding" is exactly what I stated previously.
From Websters Dictionary-
"The hobby or practice of modifying and rebuilding a motor vehicle for high-speed performance and fast acceleration."
thanks for letting me know that the radiator did work well in your truck though. I appreciate the input. What year is your Ford truck? I always wanted one of the Dodge Sweptside trucks with the tailfins on the bed. They are super rare though.
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Oh I never said anything of the sort. 400 was a lot then. It's WAY worse now. Everything is ridiculous. It's coming that no one but the wealthy will be able to afford this.
I agree completely. That's what's sad about it is there's a lot of people that would love to enjoy these cars and drive them and unfortunately the cost of the parts has just risen and risen and the quality has gone further and further downhill. Then there's the value of the vehicles themselves and worrying about people stealing them. Bad drivers and the risk of being hit. Having people steal parts off your car. Etc.
I had someone try to steal my Plymouth Belvedere when it was in the parking lot at work one day. A friend had a 1969 Satellite wagon stolen out of his driveway when he was a work. It sucks.
I got the dart to daily drive because its much more common and easier to replace if sometjing happens to it and parts are easier to find.
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Well, you live in the way wrong state anyway, so......
Lol! Amen brother! I know,its scary how quickly time passes,isnt it? It doesnt seem like nearly 20 years though. I still rememeber an ad for a 1958 Plymouth Fury that was at a wrecking yard called "Memory Lane" in the early 80's for $400 bucks,and a 70 challenger with a Hemi for sale for a laughably low price that was in a dirt lot across from the supermarket. The thing ive learned is when your young you take for granted they way things are and think nothing will ever change,your going to be young forever and times standing still. It seems the older you get the more times fly by in a blur.
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man... memory lane has been gone a llllloooonnngggg time. same with aalden bros. and wild cat and a whole bunch of 'em
I remember them too! There used to be a ton of wrecking yards all over Southern California. Nearly all of them are gone now. Mostly all thats left are the LQK "Pick a Part" ones and its rarely ever anything old that's in there.
These Cold Case radiators sound like a good deal for the money. They say they fit like OEM,including factory shrouds,and they have a lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects. In addition to having oversized cooling tubes,they have a trial warranty where if you install it and dont like how it cools you can return it for a full refund.
Anybody here have any experience with this brand?
"Oversized Cooling Tubes: Unlike OEM brass/copper radiators or cheaper competitors that use restrictive \(\frac{5}{8}\)" tubes, Cold Case units feature oversized \(1\)" to \(1.25\)" tubes. This design increases fluid volume and provides up to a 40% improvement in thermal transfer/cooling"
Anybody here have any experience with this brand?
"Oversized Cooling Tubes: Unlike OEM brass/copper radiators or cheaper competitors that use restrictive \(\frac{5}{8}\)" tubes, Cold Case units feature oversized \(1\)" to \(1.25\)" tubes. This design increases fluid volume and provides up to a 40% improvement in thermal transfer/cooling"
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This is the champion cooling systems one
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