Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries & 2947 cnties in US

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  1. Hot Metal

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    ok so now we are starting to get somewhere, and when you've joined all the dots together and got a straight line and got to the end of it you may have just sussed this all out for what it is and has been from the start.
     
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    • Steve welder

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      Not true, sorry
       
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      Yeah, what's that about? The only Zero you won't see is to the left of the deicmal point in the Bank accounts of the politicians....

      JW
       
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      • Steve welder

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        Many politicians, political hooked up, Aid's to politicians including the former POTUS have contracted COVID......A few died, most lived, they get the best care, best and newest drug to fight infection
        Everything top shelf while the smucks suffer
         
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        • roccodart440

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          A few died, most lived. SOunds like the story for everyone who gets it.

          Very few politicians have died of it, and Powell isn't one of them.
           
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          Have to agree with you on this. Colin Powell is a pretty high level example.
           
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          Fair, few die OF it, but it seems he had complications WITH it. Pretty bad shape before he contracted it.
           
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            Exactly, he had cancer.

            Many covid deaths were recorded in people who died of other things. I saw this first hand. WHen my grandmother died last spring, they tested her AFTER death for covid, she was negative. The doctor told me flat out, if you die with covid, you're listed as a covid death. Another example is a local man died in a motorcycle accident. His wife was outraged that his COD was listed as covid.
             
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              Yup, you don't need to convince me. I've seen it too.
               
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              • gdrill

                gdrill If you drink, think, before you type...... FABO Gold Member

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                and there are those who refuse to believe.......
                 
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                • Steve welder

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                  Sorry about your loss...... What ever causes a death is what your doctor/ medical examiner will list it on death certificate
                  If a person is suffering from a COVID infection and dies its listed as COVID
                  My wife was diagnosed Stage 4 over eleven years ago....Stage 4 is a rating that refers to how far a cancer has spread, its a number and does not mean a person is doomed, not a great thing but people survive
                  My wife health isn't great but she is no were near death, not even close ( by the grace of Jesus).
                  If my wife contracted Covid and died than she died of Covid not cancer and I expect a death certificate to reflect that
                  I have zero idea what your doctor told you and why....
                  If you have a Covid infection and get run over by a bus on the way to the doctors your death record should or would read accident
                  We will be at 800,000 dead soon....No doubt some listed wrongly it happens but as much as many would seek to dismiss that figure as a fraction of what it is,,,in fact its not.....
                  I dont know what it takes for some to get it through their skulls that this is not fabricated, not fake.
                  We wont even discuss people who suffer after affects from Covid
                   
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                  Not only did my doctor confirm that if you die with covid you are listed as a covid death, my girlfriends mother is the infectious disease director at one of the local hospitals, she too confirmed this. I've also watched numerous videos where medical professionals confirmed this.

                  I don't believe it's fake, however the numbers are inflated for many reasons, not just poor reporting.
                   
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                    Here is an article:
                    How are COVID-19 deaths counted? It’s complicated

                    From the CDC:

                    Things to Know About Cause-of-Death Data Quality Getting high quality cause-of-death information can be challenging, especially during emergencies. Certifiers may be faced with heavy workloads, may not have access to complete information about the death, or may not be well trained in how to prepare good quality cause-of-death statements. The quality of cause-of-death data depends on death certificates being complete and accurate. • Complete means describing a clear chain of events from the immediate to the underlying cause of death, reporting any other conditions that contributed to death, and providing information that is specific. • Accurate means reporting the correct conditions as causes of death. Cause-of-death information is not perfect, but it is very useful. Current estimates are that about 20-30% of death certificates have issues with completeness
                     
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                    • Steve welder

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                      I have no reason to doubt you.....20-30% of death certificates having issues with being completed and having something wrong is possible but some folks will take that piece of data and run with it, exploit it as a reason that we have a very significant reduction in Covid 19 deaths and that's simply not the case
                      The misinformation could be cause of death or date of death/time/address, a whole host of issues
                       
                    • d5667

                      d5667 Member this?

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                      It depends on the money the hospital gets for calling a burn victim a covid death. FOLLOW THE MONEY and you will find the truth
                       
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                      • Hot Metal

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                        Exactly, ok so from memory as I got this info from a good source months ago, may be outdated I don't know, it is reputed that US hospitals got/get 4k$ if they test someone as pos with a fake test, 14k if they put them on a vent which is the wrong treatment for a respiratory ailment, and 39k if the death cert says convid if death occured for whatever reason 28 days after a fake pos test, they died "with" convid you see, thats good enough, anything to bump the numbers up.....no incentive there!! thats why most deaths occur in hospitals/care homes where the wrong treatments are given cos of money/protocol.
                        Do you not think if this was really a deadly virus you would've perhaps seen some people expired on the sidewalk out of the 800,000 claimed deaths from it, how many have you seen, I haven't seen 1 in the UK since this crap started, just a lot of people walking about with their stupid virtue signalling face nappies on harming themselves even more and then when they get issues from oxygen deprivation and breathing back in their own crap and the crap in the mask its oh I've got convid of course, complete insanity comes to mind.
                         
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                        • Steve welder

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                          Ive known plenty who died and gotten very very sick from Covid.....All around me......Refrigerated trailers outside of hospitals weren't delivering ice creme
                          You said "a good source" and " reputed". Sorry thats of zero creditability
                           
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                          • Steve welder

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                            Facts are inconvenient truths
                            . You do not know of or have any proof of a hospital falsifying a death certificate which is a legal document from any given state and deliberately listing cause of death one thing when its another
                            If you could give me one unbiased link supporting what you allege I would appreciate that
                             
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                            No thats your opinion of what they died from, do you have proof of that to make that statement, that is supposition and also has zero credibility.
                             
                          • DemonDave

                            DemonDave Guess I should change my name...

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                            Related?

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                            • Steve welder

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                              My opinion? I have no opinion of what anyone died of....be it covid or otherwise....What im asking for is proof and factual information not something alleged or pulled out of the sky
                               
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                              Nah nothing to do with it whatsoever, this is totally different:rolleyes:
                               
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                              So you are suggesting I pulled that out of the sky, how do you know where I pulled it from to say that, twisting things your way again, if you must know from actual nurses and someone you may have heard of....David Icke who is a total lunatic of course to you. Anyway we'll keep this civil of course. I have an answer for anything you want to throw out.
                               
                            • Steve welder

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                              Whats being implying about listing the cause of death as Covid when it is not by a medical facility and doing it deliberately for the purpose of getting more money is fraud.
                               
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                              • Steve welder

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                                So your telling me a RN and im assuming that saw a doctor list the cause of death as Covid when it was not.....Im not familiar with who D. Icke is
                                David Icke? The guy who claims he is the son of God? The conspiracy theorist?
                                Not thats a reputable source. LOL.
                                 
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