1. dart4forte

    dart4forte FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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    Anyone on them aftermarket make a LED kit for the early A bodies?
     
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      Dana67Dart The parts you don't add don't cause you no trouble FABO Gold Member

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      There are individual bulbs to replace your existing incandescent bulbs.
       
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        I have the Slyvania Zevo LED’s in the brake and turn signals on my Jeep & Expedition they work well. And they offer a 1157
         
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        And you will need to replace the flasher with an electronic unit. You 'may' have to reverse the leads going to the flasher for it to work.
         
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          The overwhelming majority of "LED bulbs" on the market are fraudulent, unsafe junk. Here's what to know about LED retrofit bulbs in vehicle signal lamps (brake lights, tail lights, parking lights, turn signals, etc).

          First, the quick nutshell version:

          -Answer to "Will it work?" is a whole lot more complicated than just yes/no.

          -Fundamentally different kind of light source, so unlike with filament bulbs, physical fit doesn't guarantee optical compatibility or acceptable performance.

          -Giant mountain of unsafe junk on the market, all fraudulently hyped as an upgrade.

          -There are a few legitimate products that work OK in some of the lamps they fit in; important to check the actual function carefully.

          Longer version:

          Start with how signal lamps (parking lamps, turn signals, side marker lights, brake lights, tail lights, reversing lamps) have to work. It's a lot more complicated than just "Yep, that lights up and looks good to me". Please take a look at this post, which goes into detail on how exterior safety/signal lights have to work. I'm point you at it not because I think you should go to the trouble of the involved measurements described (that was more for his build-from-scratch project), but just so you get some idea of the complexity involved beyond "Yep, it lights up".

          Bulb-type lamps (brake light, tail light, parking light, turn signal, sidemarker, DRL, whatever) rely on a point source of light, a glowing filament, that radiates more or less equally in all directions—a sphere of light—collecting and distributing that light with optics in the lens and/or reflector. A group of LEDs can't duplicate this at the required scale, so the light distribution from bulb-type lamps equipped with "LED bulbs" like this is often seriously damaged.

          The few legitimate LED bulbs that exist work well in some of the lamps they fit in. In others, they work poorly. Their performance has to be carefully assessed in whatever particular lamp they're installed in, by comparing them side-by-side with the original incandescents as reasonably well described (in an accessible DIY manner) here .

          And in still other lamps, they don't work at all, because all the legitimate LED retrofit bulbs have only rear/side-facing emitters. That works in some lamps with a reflector bowl behind the bulb to gather and magnify the light (such as '64 Valiant tail/brake lights), but there's a whole other kind of lamp that doesn't use—or doesn't only use—a reflector bowl, such as the '64 Valiant park/turn lights up front. Instead, these lamps have Fresnel-type optics, the kind where the lens has a central magnifying area directly in line with the filament of the installed bulb, and spreader optics surrounding that magnifier. Often the magnifier is a round bullseye and the spreaders are a series of round prismatic rings surrounding the bullseye, but sometimes the magnifier is square or rectangular and the surrounding prisms are rectilinear. If there's no light directly out the front of the LED bulb, there will be minimal to zero output from the lamp.

          If you want to try this, the Sylvania Zevo bulbs already mentioned in this thread are the (only) legitimate ones worth a try. That's these.

          You will need a different kind of turn signal flasher to operate the LED bulbs correctly; that's this one (2-prong like original; connect its ground wire conveniently).

          Whether you wind up using LED bulbs or sticking with the spec filament items, give the lamps a fighting chance to do their job for you: clean the lenses in hot soapy water. Stuff wads of masking tape in the bulb holes, or remove the sockets if they're the removable type, clean the reflector bowls with alcohol, then paint them with Ceiling White paint (specifically! Not just any old white paint; go to a paint store and get Ceiling White), which is practically ideal for the task and does a better job than the chrome/aluminum types of paints.
           
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          • Mike69cuda

            Mike69cuda 66 is the new 17 FABO Gold Member

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            I have been using these for awhile in my rear brake lights on my 69 Cuda. They are much brighter than stock & seem to illuminate the lenses really well. They seem bright at varying viewing angles. I left the front turn signal bulbs stock, since my goal was to increase brake light brightness. That way I did not have to change the flasher, it still worked the same.

            Dan, do you know anything about these bulbs? Wondering if I made the right decision.

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            • dart4forte

              dart4forte FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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              What brand does that ceiling white come in?
               
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              All the paint suppliers make it. Go in any paint store or to the paint counter at Ace Hardware or Home Despot or otherwise like that, ask for "ceiling white", and you'll get it—unless the staffer is clueless and goes "So just white paint?", in which case go talk to someone else.

              Ceiling White is formulated for extremely high reflectivity. It makes regular white look like dirty dishwater by comparison.
               
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              • dart4forte

                dart4forte FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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                So, I take it it’s not an automotive paint. I just got back from ACE. The guy there is very experienced. He knew what Ceiling white was. So,safe to assume I’ll have to brush it on.
                 
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                • RogerRamRod

                  RogerRamRod The Older I Get, The Faster I Was FABO Gold Member

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                  I powder coated my tail housings with flat ultra pure white.
                   
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                  • dart4forte

                    dart4forte FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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                    Dan, this is what I found so far. This is a flat however there’s a gloss

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                    Yup, that'll do it (and a gallon ought to set you up for several lifetimes' worth of lamps). You don't need a shiny/glossy surface to do the job.

                    Want to see why this is a better idea than chrome/aluminum spray paint (which is admittedly easier)? Lookit:

                     
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                    dart4forte FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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                    Thanks Dan, no on the gallon, paint guy will do me a pint.
                     
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