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Because it isn't a Chevy! No other reason whatsoever.
If you made some slant six stuff it would be nice because no one else makes any thing besides Clifford and Aussie and they are not the best or most affordable to deal with so you could gain the whole market share. In addition to all the other slant six stuff that everyone wants but no one will build. Slant six turbo exhaust manifold Slant six 1.6 rocker arms
Idk what you fellas are looking at for your price comparisons. It's a forged piston mopar 408 with a new stroker crank for within $400 of the cheapest 383 Chevy we offer that only has hyper pistons. If you want to compare it to a OE crank 355 with hyper pistons...then you arent seeing it for what it is. IMO...and with all due respect of course.
Define "cheap"? the least expensive shortblock on their site is a 350 sbc with a seasoned crank and cast pistons at $2000, do we REALLY have people complaining that their 408 mopar shortblock with forged pistons is $2400?
You all missed my point. It's NOT a Chevy.
I didn't mean to quote you in the sense that you were complaining. my apologies. Yes... its not a run of the mill chevy, so of course its worth more my point (again not at you) is that its within a stones throw of their cheapest SBC offerings. So that's AWESOME for a vendor to offer us something like that. just amazes me that some still called it "double what they'd pay" I guess if you're in the market for a $500 craigslist magnum...then sure....I guess its more.lol
I think a lot of times we look at retail prices for these cranks pistons and all this stuff and that's not what they're paying. Of course if I took a $1, 500 rotating assembly retail and how did the price of the block and the price of the prep we would be right about $2, 400 but again these things like they said I produced in the very big big matches would Johnny be willing to tell us exactly how much they have into it and how much they actually profit from it? I understand they have big overhead employees with health benefits and big buildings and many equipment expenses as well.
I for one am very pleased with my personal cast crank and highly feel the money would have been wasted it in my case. But as you say the price should reflect it...
I'll also say this I don't think I know of anywhere that I can get that good of quality of a rotating assembly for $2, 400. Do I want it cheaper? You bet my cheap ass!
Hey Jpar, The attractiveness of our crate offerings is that we are in fact large enough to purchase in quantities, and pass that savings down to our customers. Just because we pay less for a piston than retail doesn't make it any less of a value to the end customer. My very transparent selling point that i have no problem sharing, is that the average consumer would pay more for the parts and the block work, than we can deliver a dyno tested, 50K mile warranty, performance engine. I take that as a privilege to work for a company that can deliver such an offering to a community that i am very much a part of. As for profit margins and such, you're correct, we have a facility to maintain, employees to take care of, and of course we need to invest in our future and develop new products (I have new mopar stuff coming...rest assured) I can personally tell you there's always a way to do something cheaper, and that is not our goal. We want to be the best, not the cheapest. If we can develop a process ourselves, or manufacture a part ourselves, and save time and money while increasing longevity, then thats a win/win. all we can do is thank our customers that see our value, and we appreciate them very much. Shortblocks are not high profit items. We use very little reman content of any kind anymore. You can't compare us to a OE reman, or a OE type engine. If thats what someone is in the market for, thats not a problem at all, its just not our market at this point in time. I don't mean that as disrespect to anyone that doesn't need a $5000 crate engine, we just have focused as a performance company, and I'm proud to be a part of the growth and reputation we have developed along the way!
I think in my last personal 408 i built (before my time at BluePrint) i had $1200 in block machining alone.lol I'm the same as you... I also don't like Spending $ lol
Agreed! Johnny MAC is indeed.
I follow BluePrint on facebook, and got to see @JohnnyMac on TV when they were at barret Jackson. Its beyond cool to have someone in the industry at this level coming here and participating, and asking us our opinions!
Happy to be here fellas!
thanks for doing this! After my stock piston 360 came apart during a road course event. I'd like a forged piston, stock stroke, block assembly, zero balanced and drilled for a manual trans. Maybe in two flavors stock rod, aftermarket rod. Also, the 340 is still highly coveted, maybe a couple of cranks that could make a 340 out of 318 and 360 blocks.
Here is an honest run down as I remember it. I think I got the rotating assembly from Jegs for about $1, 250. That included total seal Rings icon forged pistons scat I-beam rods and scat cast crank. And bearings. I bought the block from the Machine Shop for a 150 bucks and they hot tanked it, shot peen, cleared for stroker which wasn't necessary install cam bearingsin basic block prep I guess for $450 I think the internal balance was around$350 and I think about 250 was for Mallory. Assembly? Can't remember. I'm sure hanging there Pistons rings and twerking everything up and checking clearances what's more than $200 LOL to add up to about 2,400. If my quick math was correct...
Now with all that said the experience that I had was priceless as it was the same shop that we toured with our high school auto shop back in the 80s. He remembered my auto shop teacher who's now past. (Herb Kingdom RIP) I gave them about five or six hundred dollars to get started until I could get the rotating assembly ordered and to them. And then I was able to slowly pay week by week as assembly went along. It was over the winter and they're busy time so it wasn't a fast process anyways. But again it being so cool as I was there when the block was being shot peened. I was there when it was being bored. I was there when they were rotating the assembly and balancing it and almost every other step along the way and having him personally escort me through the shop meeting all the people that were working on my engine one by one. In an ironic turn of events they finally retired after 40 years or more and took all their stuff to a very private shop where they only do hot rod stuff exclusively now. And when they moved out they had some things left over and I was able to get there 8 ft long steel plated high performance bench. A Prize peace in my garage.
I would second or third a development of a B aluminum block 383 or 400 with extra reinforcement webbing and could be overbored safely. I know many who would buy for an A body in a heart beat. Combine that with aluminum heads water pump intake and your much lighter than a small block. The car would have tons of hp and torque and could be set up to handle nicely with excellent front to back weight distribution. Carl
Cross bolted mains ..... just sayin
How about raised port big block heads that would allow an RB intake to be used on a B block?
Johnny Mac, I know I said this earlier, but I really believe there is a market for a magnum short block or long for that matter. If you offered something like the LA version in the magnum block...... for $2,440.00? There is a lot of 92-03 dodge rams, dakota's, and durango's out there....
The longlbocks are about to go Magnum/roller. I assume the short blocks will follow. since its a magnum block at that point, nothing stopping people from putting them in trucks. other than maybe changing a flexplate, or a timing cover. So i think we inadvertently got ya covered there.lol